Procedural panels request

[WereCat]

As the title says all that i want is a mod like the B9 Procedural Wings mod but for panels.

That's all. Thanks in advance.

Edited August 5, 2016 by WereCat

[Nippie1995]

What kind of panels? I dont get you.

[Kerbart]

4 minutes ago, Nippie1995 said:

What kind of panels? I dont get you.

Flat rectangular panels. While I can understand the resistance against procedural engines and tanks, because (a) it's against the "lego mindset" of the game and (b) that's not how things work in real life either, I don't think sheet metal should come in prefixed sizes only. We can get fairings any shape and size we want, why not panels, too?

[WereCat]

9 hours ago, Nippie1995 said:

What kind of panels? I dont get you.

As Kerbart said the flat rectangular ones. And i think its normal that we should have procedural panels as well. (from mods i mean)

[Hydrothermalventclam]

You could use procedural wings as structural panels.

[WereCat]

1 hour ago, NathanMcGuire30 said:

You could use procedural wings as structural panels.

Yes, i did that but there is one problem, impact resistance, the wings break very easily, making them unsuitable for rovers and other creations.

 

Also i don't know how hard it would be to amp up the resistance on the B9 Procedural Wings (if you can) but it would make a for a good alternative for procedural panels.

[SpannerMonkey(smce)]

Is there any reason why not to just use tweakscale? aside from not being able to scale one edge only i don't really see any disadvantage

[WereCat]

14 hours ago, SpannerMonkey(smce) said:

Is there any reason why not to just use tweakscale? aside from not being able to scale one edge only i don't really see any disadvantage

Yes you could do that, but procedural panels would allow for more options in designing your craft and fewer parts in total on the craft, plus that scaled up panels are thicker than normal or scaled down panels and it just looks ugly when put together.

[Hydrothermalventclam]

21 hours ago, WereCat said:

Also i don't know how hard it would be to amp up the resistance on the B9 Procedural Wings (if you can) but it would make a for a good alternative for procedural panels.

In the config file there are variables you can change called braking force, breaking torque, and crash tolerance.  If you make those numbers bigger, then the part will be more resistant.

[ZooNamedGames]

18 minutes ago, NathanMcGuire30 said:

In the config file there are variables you can change called braking force, breaking torque, and crash tolerance.  If you make those numbers bigger, then the part will be more resistant.

Granted that would be for him and not for others should he decide to share his creations.

[Hydrothermalventclam]

Just now, ZooNamedGames said:

Granted that would be for him and not for others should he decide to share his creations.

True, but it would solve his problem

[ZooNamedGames]

Just now, NathanMcGuire30 said:

True, but it would solve his problem

Kind of poor solution. 

[Hydrothermalventclam]

Just now, ZooNamedGames said:

Kind of poor solution. 

Again, it works.  

Do you have a better one?

[WereCat]

Eh, i think i can work it out with the config file, thanks for the info.

[ZooNamedGames]

24 minutes ago, NathanMcGuire30 said:

Again, it works.  

Do you have a better one?

Something that provides a better solution for him now and in the long run.

To me this equals trying to use a bandaid to heal a broken bone.

[Daveroski]

I made a suggestion for a triangular procedural panel in 'suggestions' which would have been exactly what the op here was looking for.

lots of views but no replies.

 

[legoclone09]

We probably could modify the B9 wings's part file to be a structural element.

[WereCat]

1 hour ago, legoclone09 said:

We probably could modify the B9 wings's part file to be a structural element.

I think this is the best way to do it, but i cant mod, and i don't know anyone who could do it.

Edited August 10, 2016 by WereCat

[legoclone09]

2 hours ago, WereCat said:

I think this is the best way to do it, but i cant mod, and i don't know anyone who could do it.

A simple ModuleManager patch may be able to do it.

[Hydrothermalventclam]

18 hours ago, WereCat said:

I think this is the best way to do it, but i cant mod, and i don't know anyone who could do it.

As I said in my previous post, you would just have to increase the braking force, braking torque, and impact tolerance values in the config file.

[Hydrothermalventclam]

Here, I edited the config for you.  The file I edited is called wing_procedural_typeA.cfg.   The lines I changed are the breakingTorque, breakingForce and crashTolerance lines.  Here, I have multiplied them all by 10, from the default, but you can easily change that.

PART
{
    // --- general parameters ---
    name = B9_Aero_Wing_Procedural_TypeA
    module = Part
    author = bac9

    // --- asset parameters ---
    MODEL
    {
        model = B9_Aerospace_ProceduralWings/Parts/Aero_Wing_Procedural/wing_procedural_typeA
    }
    scale = 1
    rescaleFactor = 1

    // --- editor parameters ---
    TechRequired = advAerodynamics
    entryCost = 10000
    cost = 0
    category = Aero
    subcategory = 0
    title = B9-PW Procedural wing
    manufacturer = Tetragon Projects
    description = Procedural wing you can shape in any way you want using the context menu. Press J while pointing at this part to open the editor window allowing you to edit the shape and materials of this part. You can exit the editing mode by switching to editing of another part in the very same way, or by pressing J again, or by closing the window. The window can also be opened and closed using the B9 button in the bottom-right corner of the screen.

    // attachment rules: stack, srfAttach, allowStack, allowSrfAttach, allowCollision
    attachRules = 0,1,0,1,1

    // --- node definitions ---
    // definition format is Position X, Position Y, Position Z, Up X, Up Y, Up Z
    node_attach = 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 0.0

    // --- standard part parameters ---
    mass = 0.05
    dragModelType = none
    crashTolerance = 150
    maxTemp = 2400
    explosionPotential = 0.1
    fuelCrossFeed = True
    breakingTorque = 1000
    breakingForce = 1000
	
	thermalMassModifier = 4.0
	emissiveConstant = 0.95
	skinInternalConductionMult = 5
	bulkheadProfiles = srf

	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleLiftingSurface
		useInternalDragModel = True
		deflectionLiftCoeff = 2.0
		dragAtMaxAoA = 0.5
		dragAtMinAoA = 0.0
	}
	
    MODULE
    {
        name = WingProcedural
        isCtrlSrf = False
        isWingAsCtrlSrf = False
    }

    MODULE
    {
    	name = ModuleCrossFeed
    }

    MODULE:NEEDS[modularFuelTanks|RealFuels]
    {
        name = ModuleFuelTanks

        volume = 3.84
        basemass = -1
        utilizationTweakable = true
        utilization = 0.5
        type = Default
    }
}

@PART[B9_Aero_Wing_Procedural_TypeA]:NEEDS[ferramGraph] 
{
    @maximum_drag = 0
    @minimum_drag = 0
    @angularDrag = 0
	!MODULE[ModuleLiftingSurface] {}

    MODULE
    {
        name = FARWingAerodynamicModel
        MAC = 4
        MidChordSweep = 0
        b_2 = 4
        TaperRatio = 1
    }
}

 

On 8/9/2016 at 10:27 AM, ZooNamedGames said:

Something that provides a better solution for him now and in the long run.

To me this equals trying to use a bandaid to heal a broken bone.

If you have a solution, I am sure WereCat would be very happy to hear it.

Edited August 12, 2016 by NathanMcGuire30
misspelling

[WereCat]

4 hours ago, NathanMcGuire30 said:

Here, I edited the config for you.  The file I edited is called wing_procedural_typeA.cfg.   The lines I changed are the breakingTorque, breakingForce and crashTolerance lines.  Here, I have multiplied them all by 10, from the default, but you can easily change that.

Thank you, very, very much. But its still a bummer that it isn't a real mod.

[Hydrothermalventclam]

19 hours ago, WereCat said:

Thank you, very, very much. But its still a bummer that it isn't a real mod.

I know, there are so many uses.  Maybe if you request it, somebody could make it, or you could learn how, and make one yourself.

[Crzyrndm]

A panel module is being included in this

 

for now it just removes all lifting elements and the demo part I've stuck it on has its impact resistance bumped up but it'll get more complete with time

[WereCat]

Wow, Crzyrndm i am looking forward to the full release of your mod. 

Edited August 13, 2016 by WereCat