RCgothic Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, Beccab said: Meanwhile, the pad around S20 is clear and the overpressure notice still not cancelled, so at least that seems to be going forward for now. B4 static fire NET January (╯ರ ~ ರ)╯︵ ┻━┻ Welp, I suppose that just guarantees Starship will be ready to fly by the time the environmental review comes through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RCgothic said: (╯ರ ~ ರ)╯︵ ┻━┻ Welp, I suppose that just guarantees Starship will be ready to fly by the time the environmental review comes through. Yeah, if B4 and S20 are the ones to fly then 100% will be ready by the time they get the launch license. If it's B8 and S20 then probably it will be at the beginning of its testing campaign Edit: forgot to add, rumour is that it's the FWS mainly holding back the final EA. Coincidentally though having this delay instead of directly ruling for an EIS makes a mitigated FONSI more likely to happen. Whatever the current problem may be it doesn't seem to be impossible to overcome, or there would be no reason to wait two more months Edited December 28, 2021 by Beccab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minmus Taster Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 8 years later: Hey yall FAA here! were now targeting "sometime soon" for the conclusion of the- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Asked about putting humans on Mars he said best case 5 years, worst case 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silavite Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Beccab said: Yeah, if B4 and S20 are the ones to fly then 100% will be ready by the time they get the launch license. If it's B8 and S20 then probably it will be at the beginning of its testing campaign Edit: forgot to add, rumour is that it's the FWS mainly holding back the final EA. Coincidentally though having this delay instead of directly ruling for an EIS makes a mitigated FONSI more likely to happen. Whatever the current problem may be it doesn't seem to be impossible to overcome, or there would be no reason to wait two more months What is FWS in this context? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, Silavite said: What is FWS in this context? Fish and Wildlife Service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawl Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 38 minutes ago, tater said: Asked about putting humans on Mars he said best case 5 years, worst case 10. That makes it 15 years. Don't forget it's in Elon Time units. For the real average time in years you have to add the two values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Minmus Taster said: 8 years later: Hey yall FAA here! were now targeting "sometime soon" for the conclusion of the- It's surreal to me watching the world spend the last three years blasting the FAA for supposedly not regulating industry carefully enough, and then seeing SpaceX fans lose their minds over the FAA being careful about signing off on this orbital test flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: lose their minds over the FAA Completely different in kind. Passenger safety over testing w/o passengers. Similar to how Tesla should be raked over the coals for the autonomous driving system but Oshkosh should be able to develop their military prototypes off civilian roads Edited December 28, 2021 by JoeSchmuckatelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: It's surreal to me watching the world spend the last three years blasting the FAA for supposedly not regulating industry carefully enough, and then seeing SpaceX fans lose their minds over the FAA being careful about signing off on this orbital test flight. I think they’re making fun of FAA, not losing their minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 14 hours ago, sh1pman said: I think they’re making fun of FAA, not losing their minds. IMO, some of them are. Well, maybe not their minds. I was originally going to say "losing their (something else)", but I've recently been reminded by the mods not to use words that I consider to be pretty harmless but they consider to be against forum rules. Let's just say, "losing their composure". The point is that there is very little worse for a regulatory agency than to have Congress, who provides their funding and writes the laws they operate under, call them in and hold a public show trial over their perceived lack of rigor and over-friendliness to industry. (I say "perceived", because IMO the whole situation is much more complicated than that.) They are certainly not going to want that to keep happening to them. This is very much not the time for any company to try to complain that the FAA is slowing them down by not bowing to the company's will and timetable. (Although it's not at all clear that SpaceX would actually be ready to do this launch anyway.) Nor is it the time for companies to fail to at least make a visible effort to be careful about environmental protection. I definitely do not think all the companies that talk about sustainability are actually all that interested in sustaining anything other than their profits, but at least most of them recognize that being perceived as anti-environmental right now actually does threaten the sustainability of their profits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Doodling Astronaut Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 15 hours ago, sh1pman said: I think they’re making fun of FAA, not losing their minds. While it’s annoying, I’m only just seeing what safety agencies have to do. I don’t see the FAA doing anything wrong. 16 hours ago, grawl said: That makes it 15 years. Don't forget it's in Elon Time units. For the real average time in years you have to add the two values. It’s a weird question for sure. I think it took a while for Elon to answer because they are more focused on getting it into orbit and recovering it. Then get a stable cargo program, eventually test having crew, then so on. One step at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) New static fire notice and pad clear, second S20 static fire attempt today! 6 engines again most likely Edited December 29, 2021 by Beccab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) Success! Looks like a single tile fell off from under a flap. Note that most tiles that fell of previously were replaced (and usually glued), so this is a good improvement Edited December 29, 2021 by Beccab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 I think there's a second tile that looks weird about 2/3rds of the way from rear from to top fin, underneath the other one that fell off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) Long and interesting twitter thread about GSE construction and problems, TL;DR: - All good with LOX and water tanks - LCH4 tanks likely unusable since they are too close to each other and in an unfavourable position - horizontal tanks moved last October are their permanent replacement, that while stolen from the SpaceX air liquidification plant because priorities are compliant with the requirements and will be used to fuel the full stack. In case you were wondering, the tanks that will now have to go to the air liquidification plant will probably arrive mid 2022 if they were ordered around the same time they found the GSE issues Edited December 29, 2021 by Beccab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) Edited December 30, 2021 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/elon-musks-spacex-raises-over-337-mln-fresh-funding-2021-12-29/ SpaceX raised 337 million dollars as equity financing recently Looks like a booster in a recent Falcon 9 mission encountered some very rough seas shortly after landing, which resulted in the poor octograbber unable to grab the booster and a leg getting damaged by the waves resulting in further damage to Merlin nozzles. The whole barge is now leaning because of the unbalanced weight, since the trip also ended up moving the booster away from the center Artistic representation of the incident: Edited December 30, 2021 by Beccab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) Landing on the engine nozzles seems like a rather KSP thing to do. Edited December 30, 2021 by mikegarrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 B4 has been disconnected from the quick disconnect last night as it has to be lifted and then put back on the OLM before the booster static fire series can begin Quoting the usual spacex insider on reddit: "Water deluge (IOS) and fire supression (FSS) needs testing, without unnecessarily back-spraying the engines. However whilst lift is in the schedule, things are fluid whilst most take a break over the holidays. Another S20 static in the NY." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caecilliusinhorto Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Beccab said: Water deluge (IOS) and fire supression (FSS) needs testing, without unnecessarily back-spraying the engines. I thought the reason they made the launch mount so high was so that they wouldn't have to use water deluge systems? Edited December 31, 2021 by caecilliusinhorto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Silavite Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 52 minutes ago, caecilliusinhorto said: I thought the reason they made the launch mount so high was so that they wouldn't have to use water deluge systems? The reason that the launch mount is high up is so a flame trench/diverter isn't necessary. A flame trench exists to prevent the exhaust from physically damaging the launch site (and by extension protect the rocket from debris kicked up by the exhaust), whereas a water deluge system exists to damp the sound of the rocket launch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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