sh1pman Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Well, as a private company, they have no reason to waste time aimlessly. It has to generate profits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, sh1pman said: Well, as a private company, they have no reason to waste time aimlessly. It has to generate profits! You first mistake is assuming that a company is a hive mind, rather than a bunch of divisions vying for funding. Your second mistake is assuming that the company is free from political pressures in either direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, DDE said: Your second mistake is assuming that the company is free from political pressures in either direction. Should apply some diplomacy. “We are absolutely not trying to steal clients from Roscosmos, no no no! It’s the evil Americanski SpaceX we’re competing against!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 OK, Keldysh just did a funny. https://www.rt.com/news/443889-mars-nuclear-reusable-russian-rocket/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Is money - is Zenith. Isn't money - isn't Zenith. Any known paid contracts for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaverickSawyer Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 10 hours ago, DDE said: OK, Keldysh just did a funny. https://www.rt.com/news/443889-mars-nuclear-reusable-russian-rocket/ Yeahhh... RT is pretty much garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 hours ago, MaverickSawyer said: Yeahhh... RT is pretty much garbage. They’re not better or worse than the other clickbait they model themselves on. And nowadays all the “normie” media is equally bad when it comes to space - they just parrot whatever is being fed to them. You can bet the CNN or BBC coverage would be equally bad had the sides been switched. Hell, remember this? http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160713-could-this-be-the-first-nuclear-powered-airliner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) Imageboards are the most objective and informative news integrators. Once anybody posts something pretending, ten others pour buckets of ... criticism and anti-prooflinks on his head. Also everybody tries to be the first with something unpleasant for the opponents, so the news delay is almost zero. Great Darwin welcomes this. As well they teach to treat the others' criticism philosophically, Also there are cat pictures and lulz. Am I joking? No. Edited November 14, 2018 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 In this case, the source is Roscosmos's own video. No need to question the accuracy of news sites, you can just go and watch it yourself if you don't trust the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerbal7 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, sh1pman said: In this case, the source is Roscosmos's own video. No need to question the accuracy of news sites, you can just go and watch it yourself if you don't trust the media. Trust the media? "har har" Not even for the weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DDE Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Hello there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 17 minutes ago, DDE said: Hello there. This needs to be in a video game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 41 minutes ago, Ultimate Steve said: This needs to be in a video game. It needs to be where people can see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 30 minutes ago, tater said: It needs to be where people can see it. Does it even exist anymore? I thought the roof collapsed on it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 AFAIK the wreckage is still there. Russia probably doesn’t have the funds to clean it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Artifacts of an ancient spacefaring civilization. Even now, they’re impressive. Energia-Buran could’ve done so much, but was instead killed and turned into a pitiful wreck, like many great projects of that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuyWithALongUsername Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) I wonder how much it would take to restore it, if anyone was interested? I know nobody is, but I'm just wondering here... I'm sure the roof collapse doesn't help. 2 hours ago, Ultimate Steve said: This needs to be in a video game. Won't lie, it looks like a screenshot form a video game at first glance. I'm sure some plot could be thought up around this... 7 minutes ago, sh1pman said: Artifacts of an ancient spacefaring civilization. Actually, this could be a good plot of some kind... now I'm interested in a nonexistent video game. Edited November 14, 2018 by ThatGuyWithALongUsername Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotius Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 hours ago, DDE said: Hello there. This is so sad. Once proud and powerful bird, now decaying abandoned and forgotten. Disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ThatGuyWithALongUsername said: wonder how much it would take to restore it, if anyone was interested? I know nobody is, but I'm just wondering here... I'm sure the roof collapse doesn't help. Not too long ago, there was a space startup that wanted to rehab it and use it, but I think that was before the roof collapsed. I think this is the second one, never flown, and after a generation of neglect it’s probably beyond salvation no matter how much money one threw at it, sadly. Cheaper to just build a new one from scratch. Edited November 15, 2018 by CatastrophicFailure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 6 hours ago, CatastrophicFailure said: Does it even exist anymore? I thought the roof collapsed on it... It’s the second, 95% flight-worthy shuttle, alongside a handling mock-up, in the much more robust integration and fueling building. 5 hours ago, StrandedonEarth said: AFAIK the wreckage is still there. Russia probably doesn’t have the funds to clean it up China did. They nabbed the RD-0120 mock-ups as ‘scrap metal’ while Russia and Kazakhstan continued arguing who owns the ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedKraken Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Energia-Buran gave us the fantastic RD-170 engine, which has flown about 70 times on zenit launches. And may fly on the soyuz-5 design. Spawned the RD-180, which has flown about 70 times on atlas V. Spawned the RD-191 and RD-181 which has flown a couple times each on angara and antares. Check out the cygnus (antares 230) launch in about 24hrs time at wallops. Around 150 launches so far. They are heavy, expensive engines, but the performance is outstanding for kerolox. For 25 years, they were the best RP-1 sea-level engines money could buy. (They can't compete with merlins low cost(10%) and superb twr(220%), and raptor looks unbeatable by anything) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, DDE said: Hell, remember this? BBC Future is BBC Tabloid Edition. In that respect it's the least tabloid of all tabloids. Edited November 15, 2018 by YNM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 4 hours ago, RedKraken said: Energia-Buran gave us the fantastic RD-170 engine, which has flown about 70 times on zenit launches. And may fly on the soyuz-5 design. Spawned the RD-180, which has flown about 70 times on atlas V. Spawned the RD-191 and RD-181 which has flown a couple times each on angara and antares. Check out the cygnus (antares 230) launch in about 24hrs time at wallops. Around 150 launches so far. They are heavy, expensive engines, but the performance is outstanding for kerolox. For 25 years, they were the best RP-1 sea-level engines money could buy. (They can't compete with merlins low cost(10%) and superb twr(220%), and raptor looks unbeatable by anything) In TWR it was always beaten by the NK-33, and the Soviets were always willing to sacrifice it for staged combustion’s higher ISP. Glushko tried to build a hypergolic full-flow staged combustion engine in the mid-1960s, but Raptor’s cycle broke even his teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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