TechieV Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 Hi! I was doing a "deep-scan" of the For Science! announcement photos (link below), when I found THIS in one of them! (Circled in blue) Cadet Orientation? What is this supposed to mean? Can you share your thoughts on this? I don't know what this could be, and I would love to hear what everyone thinks! Thanks! TechieV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bej Kerman Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 Probably the same as new player experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechBFP Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 2 hours ago, Bej Kerman said: Probably the same as new player experience. Virtually guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Community Manager Dakota Posted November 16 Community Manager Share Posted November 16 It's the new name for the First Time User Experience. We decided to change it due to localization concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jim Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 I'll expand on this a bit more. First Time User Experience, and it's acronym FTUE, just looks kind of awkward. For lack of a better word. And it looked even worse translated into some of the other languages. So after a surprisingly long (but fun) discussion, we decided on Cadet Orientation. It sounds a lot nicer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bej Kerman Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 1 hour ago, Just Jim said: I'll expand on this a bit more. First Time User Experience, and it's acronym FTUE, just looks kind of awkward. For lack of a better word. And it looked even worse translated into some of the other languages. So after a surprisingly long (but fun) discussion, we decided on Cadet Orientation. It sounds a lot nicer. Yeah no. People aren't going to immediately know what "cadet orientation" means. That much is obvious from the fact the update isn't out yet and it's already confusing people. I'd advise doing away with this obtuse wording cause people so new to the game they're not even done creating their save yet aren't exactly inviting themselves to be bombarded with in-character terminology. A smooth user experience and labelling things in a clear manner trump "it sounds a lot nicer". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansiegel30 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 (edited) Cadet should be well known for anyone that has watched any films about military or sci-fi - in any language translated. Atleast they didn't use the term SPACE Cadet, lol. Final resort....get a dictionary. Edited November 16 by dansiegel30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechBFP Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bej Kerman said: Yeah no. People aren't going to immediately know what "cadet orientation" means. That much is obvious from the fact the update isn't out yet and it's already confusing people. I'd advise doing away with this obtuse wording cause people so new to the game they're not even done creating their save yet aren't exactly inviting themselves to be bombarded with in-character terminology. A smooth user experience and labelling things in a clear manner trump "it sounds a lot nicer". There is a giant box to the right that explains what it is when you click on it. People will be fine. Edited November 16 by MechBFP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bej Kerman Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 3 minutes ago, MechBFP said: There is a giant box to the right that explains what it is when you click on it. People will be fine. And that's something I appreciate and thought of when writing that, but I don't think a giant explanatory box is a replacement for being able to immediately understand what something does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superfluous J Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 The existence of that box removes my knee-jerk aversion to the term. I think for something you'll wonder about one single time, the way they're doing it is fine. But just FTR my first thought when I saw "Cadet Orientation" (in the title of this thread. I didn't notice it on the image) was definition 2-b here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/orientation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bej Kerman Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 3 minutes ago, Superfluous J said: The existence of that box removes my knee-jerk aversion to the term. I think for something you'll wonder about one single time, the way they're doing it is fine. I think as handy as an explanatory box would be in a game with no labels for anything, it's still not a replacement for just being clear with how you write labels for things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superfluous J Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 50 minutes ago, Bej Kerman said: I think as handy as an explanatory box would be in a game with no labels for anything, it's still not a replacement for just being clear with how you write labels for things. ...which was apparently the problem when internationalization came into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vl3d Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 4 hours ago, Just Jim said: First Time User Experience, and it's acronym FTUE, just looks kind of awkward. Did you AB test the "virgin experience"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aziz Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 Don't need the acronym. For what? Dev's convenience? No player is ever gonna see it anyway. And there are many synonyms that can be used if it's the localization is where the ekhm, problem is. Just need a creative loc team (many games use crowdin, hint hint) "Orientation" is the last word I'd use for such thing. I don't mean to sound harsh but once again my dear devs, looks like you're trying to reinvent the wheel, creating confusion. 3 hours ago, MechBFP said: There is a giant box to the right that explains what it is when you click on it. People will be fine. My guy, a friendly reminder that people usually don't read. They will be asking even when something is in front of their faces. Source: experience with players asking why their buses won't leave the depot for the hundredth time, when the info tooltip with answer is a mouseover away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superfluous J Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 32 minutes ago, The Aziz said: My guy, a friendly reminder that people usually don't read. They will be asking even when something is in front of their faces. Source: experience with players asking why their buses won't leave the depot for the hundredth time, when the info tooltip with answer is a mouseover away. How many times have I fielded a question in the Dyson Sphere Program Discord about how to make belts slope up and down. I mean... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vl3d Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 50 minutes ago, The Aziz said: "Orientation" is the last word I'd use for such thing. Clearly it's the player sexual orientation selection toggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoSBoL Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 Can we change it to; 'Do, or do not, there is no try, unless you tick this box' Or would that invoke legal actions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vl3d Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 1 hour ago, The Aziz said: Don't need the acronym. For what? Dev's convenience? No player is ever gonna see it anyway. And there are many synonyms that can be used if it's the localization is where the ekhm, problem is. I think the issue is that "First Time User Experience" makes people think about drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheehaw Kerman Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 8 hours ago, Bej Kerman said: Yeah no. People aren't going to immediately know what "cadet orientation" means. That much is obvious from the fact the update isn't out yet and it's already confusing people. I'd advise doing away with this obtuse wording cause people so new to the game they're not even done creating their save yet aren't exactly inviting themselves to be bombarded with in-character terminology. A smooth user experience and labelling things in a clear manner trump "it sounds a lot nicer". I think it’s kind of funny. I can only imagine what the Kerbal Space Cadet uniform looks like. And just think of what it must be like to lead them… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechBFP Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 They could just put “(Tutorial)” after to make it more clear if that is really needed. Or just change it to “tutorial” altogether. Really though, this is pretty low hanging fruit so do you really want them wasting time being perfectionists on things that really don’t matter all that much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bej Kerman Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 5 minutes ago, MechBFP said: Really though, this is pretty low hanging fruit so do you really want them wasting time being perfectionists on things that really don’t matter all that much? UX doesn't matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Periple Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 40 minutes ago, Bej Kerman said: UX doesn't matter? Oh well, at least we moved on from arguing about the navball position! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechBFP Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Bej Kerman said: UX doesn't matter? Ya that part of the UX really doesn’t matter. Keep in mind it is enabled by default. So anyone who turns it off and ignores the giant text box that pops up when they do so AND still complains there is no tutorial is just…. ya. Edited November 16 by MechBFP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Periple Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 I think it ought to be a preference! It’s super annoying when I always forget to switch it off in the new campaign screen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bej Kerman Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 19 minutes ago, MechBFP said: Ya that part of the UX really doesn’t matter. Keep in mind it is enabled by default. So anyone who turns it off and ignores the giant text box that pops up when they do so AND still complains there is no tutorial is just…. ya. Relying on a popup to communicate the purpose of a UI element isn't good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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