[1.0.5] FASA 5.44

[Reddragon]

I think for the second stage 3 F-1s are going to be enough.

[BioHaZarD.PT]

frizzank! I love this mod! The latest additions are awesome. Love the detail on the Apollo CM and SM and the F1 sound is gorgeous.

Now, a couple of issues I have encountered. Apollo should have a Fuel Cell (in the service module, I believe). Gemini has it and so does the LM, but I can't find it in Apollo. Mechjeb has some trouble docking with Apollo. Turning on "show the bounding box" indicates Mechjeb thinks it's a much longer spacecraft. Manually reducing safe distance seems to help...

Are you planing a version of FASA for Real Solar System (with real mass, thrust, etc)? I haven't tried RSS yet, but this kind of mod seems ideal for it.

[NathanKell]

BioHaZarD.PT.RaNDOmCaPs: RedAV8R has made a complete set of realism patches for FASA. You can get them from his thread, or bundled in Realism Overhaul.

[GoldForest]

Nice. I suppose we'll have to make do with something besides M-1 for the 2nd stage, though. I wonder how many RL-10s will fit on a 5m plate... Anyway, the next update's gonna be fun.

I think for the second stage 3 F-1s are going to be enough.

The Saturn-Nova is basically the C-8.

So basically it's going to be this

CSM

S-IVB Stretch with 1 J-2

Increased Diameter S-II with 8 J-2s

Increased Diameter S-IC with 8 F-1s

8 F-1s... Oh boy. Jeb is going to go crazy.

[Pappystein]

Is anyone else having issues with the Apollo CSM's AJ-10 SPS engine? About every other build I get a "no oxidizer" message when I activate the engine. The CSM body is listed as full Fuel and Full Oxidizer. Does the engine have to be rotated a certain way to get fuel?

I am attaching the AJ-10 directly to the bottom of the CSM.

Am I doing something dumb?

TIA

[Pappystein]

The Saturn-Nova is basically the C-8.

Err I thought it was supposed to have 4 M-1s for the first stage? Are you substituting the F-1s because off the lack of M-1s?

[GoldForest]

Err I thought it was supposed to have 4 M-1s for the first stage? Are you substituting the F-1s because off the lack of M-1s?

Nope, 8 F-1s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_C-8

Check for yourself. The right side bar has the stage info.

Edit, just found some pics of what the C-8 should look like. These are models, but they are basically what it should look like.

Edited May 23, 2014 by GoldForest

[NathanKell]

Especially since the M-1 is an upper-stage engine.

[sp1989]

Nope, 8 F-1s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_C-8

Check for yourself. The right side bar has the stage info.

Edit, just found some pics of what the C-8 should look like. These are models, but they are basically what it should look like.

http://www.martins-models.co.uk/Sales/144/C-8/saturn%20c-8%20c.jpg

http://www.geocities.jp/silver_zerozero_two/spaceup/supernova01.jpg

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=31726.0;attach=513252;image

Oh wow! First off it kinda looks like the N-1 but obviously bigger! Second what was the purpose of the M-1 engine then?I mean if its a matter of adapter plates, and decouplers then I am now really excited for the Mercury IVA. I just wanted to make a real NOVA. Now that its possible I am less disappointed. For some reason i though that Three M-1s were on the second stage. Like this

[NathanKell]

Just like how there's about fifty different Saturns, there's about fifty different Novas.

[sp1989]

Just like how there's about fifty different Saturns, there's about fifty different Novas.

Right but then what was the purpose of the M-1 engine?

[frizzank]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-1_%28rocket_engine%29

Looks like it was suppose to replace the F1 being more powerful and more efficient.

[sp1989]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-1_%28rocket_engine%29

Looks like it was suppose to replace the F1 being more powerful and more efficient.

I know you are already going above and beyond what you wanted to do and clearly there was a vote. I swear I am not asking for an inch and taking the arm, this is just a question. Since you are scaling up the tanks, adapters, decouplers, tanks, and engine plates anyway what if you just scaled up the F-1 and called it the M-1. From what I can see the M-1 just looks lik a huge F-1. I will be perfectly happy and satisfied with whatever you give us, but since your scaling stuff up could you could just Scale up the F-1? Anyway I know that if anything is evident by this pack it is your attention to detail so I am sure if you wanted to do an M-1 you would make it look exactly like the real thing.

[NathanKell]

Frizzank, I'm not sure where you're seeing that in the article.

M-1 was designed for the (Ariane 5-like) USAF Space Launching System (air-lit hydrolox core, boosted by solids) which was designed for the USAF crewed-moon Project LUNEX. It was repurposed by NASA as a heavy upper stage engine for Nova boosters. "Some consideration was given" to using it as a first stage engine, but, having roughly the nozzle design of the J-2, it would have needed a toroidal aerospike like the J-2T (or a sea-level-adapted nozzle with horrific vacuum specific impulse, as wiki mentions, which it did not have) to work in that role.

sp1989: if anything, it looks (it certainly performs!) like a scaled-up J-2, not F-1.

EDIT: Here is a lineup of the post-Apollo engines.

Edited May 24, 2014 by NathanKell

[sp1989]

Frizzank, I'm not sure where you're seeing that in the article.

M-1 was designed for the (Ariane 5-like) USAF Space Launching System (air-lit hydrolox core, boosted by solids) which was designed for the USAF crewed-moon Project LUNEX. It was repurposed by NASA as a heavy upper stage engine for Nova boosters. "Some consideration was given" to using it as a first stage engine, but, having roughly the nozzle design of the J-2, it would have needed a toroidal aerospike like the J-2T (or a sea-level-adapted nozzle with horrific vacuum specific impulse, as wiki mentions, which it did not have) to work in that role.

sp1989: if anything, it looks (it certainly performs!) like a scaled-up J-2, not F-1.

Really? http://www.astronautix.com/engines/m1.htm

[NathanKell]

Yes. Read the article you linked. Besides its stats (mass and thrust matter not; they scale. Isp, expansion ratio, TWR matter), note the thin exhaust manifold (like a J-2), the separate LOX and LH2 feedlines (like a J-2), etc.

[sp1989]

Yes. Read the article you linked. Besides its stats (mass and thrust matter not; they scale. Isp, expansion ratio, TWR matter), note the thin exhaust manifold (like a J-2), the separate LOX and LH2 feedlines (like a J-2), etc.

Alright then I amend my question to Frizz about scaling up the the f-1. Whereever I said f-1 just replace it with J-2. You have convinced me.

[GoldForest]

Oh wow! First off it kinda looks like the N-1 but obviously bigger! Second what was the purpose of the M-1 engine then?I mean if its a matter of adapter plates, and decouplers then I am now really excited for the Mercury IVA. I just wanted to make a real NOVA. Now that its possible I am less disappointed. For some reason i though that Three M-1s were on the second stage. Like this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Nova_Rocket.jpg

That actually has four of five nozzles on the second stage.

Also, what constitutes a 'real Nova'?

Multiple companies submitted designs, and even NASA themselves came up with a list of them.

http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/n/novamm.gif -Martin Marietta Basic Degsins

http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/nova-heavy-lifter-rockets-v3.png - Martin Marietta Advanced Designs

http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/n/novammgd.gif - General Dynamics

http://www.zentastic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nova-rockets.jpg - Douglas Studies.

http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/n/novanasa.gif - NASA

There were many many many Nova designs.

My personal favorites are:

N14A N34 in MMBD's link

All of the ones in GD's link

OOST and ROOST in the DS' Link

And for the NASA link, the 59Ks and all of the ones to the left of them.

I plan on making most of those Nova's for my mod which has been put on halt because of college, but now I have some free time, so hopefully I can get them out there. I was planning on making a Saturn Nova, but since Frizzank is doing on, I might not make it.

Edited May 24, 2014 by GoldForest

[Reddragon]

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=31726.0;attach=513252;image

Personally I like this one the most. This engine placement seems to be more stable for me so if anything, I think this one should have been the real Nova I guess. Wonder how much it would have been cost.

[GoldForest]

Personally I like this one the most. This engine placement seems to be more stable for me so if anything, I think this one should have been the real Nova I guess. Wonder how much it would have been cost.

Well, Frizzank hasn't decided on a look for the Nova yet, at least that's what I'm getting from him saying he's still messing around with the configs lol. I don't want to assume anything, so lets just ask him.

Hey Frizzank! What model are you using for the Nova?

[frizzank]

Im real close to running out of memory so I am not going to add any more textures, unless they are small and justified. I am going to use a scaled stage 3 J2 tank and the S1B engine mount and just remove the Baffle things that wrap around the engine. Also make sure 8 F1's fit in it. I also want to add more Attach points to the 5x J2 plate so it can be used for other things...

Also im gonig to cobble an M-1togeather using the parts from the other engines and see how that looks, if it is easy and looks good I will put it in with the rest of the stuff.

[NathanKell]

You, sir, are a right gent.

[The Destroyer]

Yay for possible M-1!

[Ryder]

Actually there is a really good LRV in bobcats American pack. It looks very much like the LRV from the 60s and it fits on the box.

That is a nice rover! But I don't understand how to build it "folded" so that it fits in the box. How does one go about that?

Do I have to build it unfolded, then fold it with an action group on the pad or something?

Thanks!

R

[Cdodders]

Its a good thing I put my jaw in a box, so it doesn't fall off again and run away