So many silly suggestions...

[baarnold]

So, I've been browsing the KSP forums for the past hour and looking through various topics. I was just recently in the suggestion area and started going through almost every thread that looked slightly interesting. I realized something that allot of people probably have already realized but (no offense) but, people are posting some really stupid ideas in the suggestions that other have already posted about and they haven't even read the upcoming updates. I think there should be a rule or something to not allow people to post in the suggestions unless they have replied to a post in the suggestions section, or they have manually read the rules. I just sorta wanted to get this out there and see what others think about this.

[Britguy32]

With respect I disagree with you as for some people they dont have the time nor inclination to look through the many suggestion pages if their idea is there. With the rapidly increasing amount of pages to go through sometimes getting ur idea down is better than to loose it as you trawl through a lot of posts to see if any share the same idea of.

[Trux]

I find this suggestion silly, is this irony?

[Tw1]

I think there should be a rule or something to not allow people to post in the suggestions unless they have replied to a post in the suggestions section, or they have manually read the rules. I just sorta wanted to get this out there and see what others think about this.

Not a bad idea. I wonder if the forum is able to work like this?

[Fiddlestyx]

There are already rules for the forums. This is not one of them (probably for the exact reason Britguy32 suggested).

[Mefi282]

It's just not worth the effort.

[Custard Donut (In Space)]

It doesn't take much to look at a suggestion and move on to the next one if it's not your cup of tea, it's always interesting to see people's suggestions and a limit on them would do more harm than good i reckon.

I find this suggestion silly, is this irony?

[Tw1]

Not a rule, but part of the system that requires you to look at the "what not to suggest" thread first.

I don't really mind too much, ideas only get so much of a look even while they are up the top anyway.

[RoboRay]

It's easier for Squad (and us) to just ignore silly suggestions by people who obviously haven't done their research first than to try to implement a system to block them from posting them.

Just say "meh" and close the thread if you don't feel like offering an explanation.

[astropapi1]

Multiplayer, rails that shoot you into space, mech suits, multiplayer, female kerbals, Weapons, myltiplayer... Even a dude suggested a map view (This was before the forum wipe).

Did I miss something?

[RoboRay]

You forgot RCS that doesn't spin you around when you design a ship poorly.

[PeteMcCartney]

I get the impression that, as the fan base of any game grows, the likelihood that a proportion of it's fan base will be morons increases. Given that the forum is the soapbox on which these buffoons perch, is it any wonder that some of the suggestions will be questionable?

I'm sure seasoned forum vets will be able to tell which suggestions have merit and which not. Plus, their idiocy has spawned numerous hysterical threads like this one. And wouldn't we all be the poorer for missing those?

[Spatzimaus]

Multiplayer, rails that shoot you into space, mech suits, multiplayer, female kerbals, Weapons, myltiplayer... Even a dude suggested a map view (This was before the forum wipe).

Did I miss something?

You left out the ability of multiple players to work together.

There are a lot of suggestions made that'll never happen. On one hand, some are aimed at making the game more like the poster's favorite work of science fiction, with 'mechs, inertialess/fuelless drives, and so on. On the other hand, some are aimed at making it work more like reality, with more realistic planet masses, atmospheres, etc. And on the gripping hand, some are just plain stupid.

But give Squad some credit; they're not going to implement a really dumb idea just because one player suggested it. And there are a lot of things they've said they can't do YET, but still want to; a lot of mods have come about because of attempts to implement things the developers thought they either couldn't do, or just didn't rank high in priority, so even the good suggestions are often redundant. Now, given that, how long do you think it'd take a developer to glance through the suggestions to see if there's anything of value there? (Not long, I'd say.)

And every once in a while a good suggestion is made, something the developers hadn't thought of. Adding some sort of requirement before posting a suggestion (even if it were possible to objectively implement, which it isn't) might greatly reduce the bad ideas, but if even one good idea gets thrown out due to this filtering, is it worth it? Especially given how the playerbase will ridicule the dumb ideas and latch on to the good ones, making the job of a potential dev reader that much easier?

[RoboRay]

You left out the ability of multiple players to work together.

There are a lot of suggestions made that'll never happen. On one hand, some are aimed at making the game more like the poster's favorite work of science fiction, with 'mechs, inertialess/fuelless drives, and so on. On the other hand, some are aimed at making it work more like reality, with more realistic planet masses, atmospheres, etc. And on the gripping hand, some are just plain stupid.

Ah, I see you too are a fan of three-sided Aristotelian logic.

[itsme86]

One wouldn't need to look through all of the suggestions posts. There's this little box at the top that lets you perform a search. If you're about to post a suggestion about struts, you might do a search on struts to see if it's already been suggested.

[CalculusWarrior]

I get the impression that, as the fan base of any game grows, the likelihood that a proportion of it's fan base will be morons increases. Given that the forum is the soapbox on which these buffoons perch, is it any wonder that some of the suggestions will be questionable?

I'm sure seasoned forum vets will be able to tell which suggestions have merit and which not. Plus, their idiocy has spawned numerous hysterical threads like this one. And wouldn't we all be the poorer for missing those?

I like to think that KSP kind of excludes the typical 'buffoon' fan base, as actually becoming good at this game either requires you to spend either months trial-and-erroring or actually learning something about orbital mechanics and rocket design. Hence, the legions of foul-mouthed fourteen-year-olds that run rampant on the forums of other games wouldn't be present here.

Of course, there's nothing to stop someone from crashing their rocket for the umpteenth time, and going on the forum to demand super rockets, and all the fun things that astropapi1 mentioned.

(If you are a foul-mouthed fourteen-year-old, I do not mean to have offended you, and if you have indeed learned orbital mechanics and rocket design, congratulations, you have picked up on a very advanced field of study before you've even learned calculus!)

[RoboRay]

I like to think that KSP kind of excludes the typical 'buffoon' fan base

You might think that... if you haven't checked out the Steam KSP forum. I tried to be helpful there, but gave up after a few days.

At least they're there and not here.

[nats]

It would be better if someone knowledgable (ie not me) compiled all of the suggestions into an ongoing list then everyone would know what has been suggested before and whether to add their suggestion. At the moment nobody (other than perhaps Squad) has any idea what suggestions have been made (unless you were to read the whole suggestions forum which would be daft and very time consuming).

Amplitude do this for their Endless Space game (the most organised and fun forum I have ever been part of by the way - Squad could learn a lot) and then mark each to show whether the suggestion has been accepted, is being considered or has been ruled out. But then again their whole philosophy revolves around community engagement and getting their community to help design their games with them - something that isn't greatly apparent here in my experience, although that could change Squad! Involve your community more in the design processand there might be less frustrated people around on here.

[wbcundiff]

It has to be left to the Dev team to evaluate these sorts of things and they probably want a broad base of feedback or they wouldn't have opened up the game during its development. Just as an example, something like female kerbals might seem as silly as mechwarriors to some, but to folks selling games I'm not sure they'd think its silly.

[Hasegawa]

With respect I disagree with you as for some people they dont have the time nor inclination to look through the many suggestion pages if their idea is there. With the rapidly increasing amount of pages to go through sometimes getting ur idea down is better than to loose it as you trawl through a lot of posts to see if any share the same idea of.

They don't have the time to read the current threads on the suggestion forums or do a search or even read the planned features.

So they slap a post up, not bothering to try and hack it into some form of coherence, they don't have the time. And they might not even have the time to type out their words properly and use punctuation!

So there are more posts that people have to go through, which it takes more time and effort to get an idea of what's been suggested... And the cycle continues.

In my (own, very personal) view, the best thing to do, if you don't have the time to post properly, is not post. That way you waste other people's time less.

I get the impression that, as the fan base of any game grows, the likelihood that a proportion of it's fan base will be morons increases. Given that the forum is the soapbox on which these buffoons perch, is it any wonder that some of the suggestions will be questionable?

Eh, I'm not sure the proportion of morons (to use your term ) has increased that much. It might seem that way, but the community has grown a lot so absolute numbers are up.

Maybe it's just my own memories of the 'good old days', but I remember multiple threads suggesting they add symmetry to the VAB, and how it should be done...

[PeteMcCartney]

Eh, I'm not sure the proportion of morons (to use your term ) has increased that much. It might seem that way, but the community has grown a lot so absolute numbers are up

Ah yes, but I said that the likelihood that a proportion of the fan base would be morons increases. Which, if the absolute numbers increased, would be true...I think.

Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to dub the entire ksp community dimwitted! That would have been quite the first post!

[PeteMcCartney]

Eh, I'm not sure the proportion of morons (to use your term ) has increased that much. It might seem that way, but the community has grown a lot so absolute numbers are up

Double post, sorry

Edited May 9, 2013 by PeteMcCartney

[Stealth2668]

Noone forces you to read them.

[Flixxbeatz]

It would be better if someone knowledgable (ie not me) compiled all of the suggestions into an ongoing list then everyone would know what has been suggested before and whether to add their suggestion.

As for a compilation of [REDACTED] suggestions, the community has already done it for everyone.

Oh - and it keeps growing

[zombiphylax]

Not to agree with the original author, but to those of you saying "but it takes soooo long to find out if other people (and usually it's literally 100s of other people) have suggested the same thing as me!" there is a search function built into this forum, and it's really not much harder to use than Google.