Do you believe in the existence of highly advanced ancient Earth civilization before?

[Pawelk198604]

Do you believe in the existence of highly advanced ancient Earth civilization before our times?

I mean the civilization which equaled or exceeded our civilization in terms of technology..

As a kid, I really liked the anime "Mysterious Cities of Gold " there was the story of two ancient high-tech civilization Hiva (Mu) and the Atlanteans who destroyed each other, most likely using nuclear weapons, but that has not been said clearly in the film, but was implied.

[Nibb31]

A civilization as advanced as ours would have left some traces behind.

[Pawelk198604]

A civilization as advanced as ours would have left some traces behind.

Maybe they left traces, just need to look more carefully.

In any case, It would be COOL if it turned out that such a civilization really existed.

Archaeologist who would made ​​such a discovery would gain immortal fame as Heinrich Schliemann who discovered the city of Troy, or Howard Carter, who discovered Tutankhamen tomb.

Only with the difference that the discovery of an ancient advanced civilization outclassed all previous archaeological discoveries, it would by necessary to rewrite the history textbooks. Not to mention what it would it be important to modern science, thousands of new "old" inventions and technology, for which there was no need to pay a penny

[Sulphur White]

Ineeed. I belive that a civilization more advanced than our would clearly show some traces. Just think of things we leave in soil.

[Dodgey]

Is there any evidence for this?

[rtxoff]

A civilization as advanced as ours would have left some traces behind.

They did. Have a look at the various Pyramids all aligned along an past equator line around the Earth.

Also most master builders will tell you even nowadays buildings like the Cheops pyramid are not buildable with this precision.

[comham]

There's no evidence for this, and the idea is often used (along with ancient aliens) in a racist way to dismiss the achievements of real ancient civilisations that actually existed, eg ancient egypt.

[andrewas]

Humanity hasn't been around long enough for a high tech civ to fall and for all the traces to vanish. Remember, we regularly find stone tools from the first tool-using humans, we'd find remnants of high technology just as easily. Nor could such a high tech group arise in isolation, leaving us to miss them because we haven't looked where their village was - to develop high technology, you need a large population, and posessing that tech would lead the group to expand. Any way you look at it, an ancient high tech civ should have us pulling ancient smartphones out of the rubble.

It's a little more practical to look at pre-human high tech cubs, but then we'd probably find something even from a dinosaur civilisation. Today's landfills will have traces of technology for millions of years, in the form of materials that don't occur in nature even if nothing recognizable survives.

[Awaras]

Any civilization as advanced as ours would have exhausted the fossil fuel deposits as we are about to... Consequently, if we end up killing ourselves, any other intelligent species that might evolve after us will have a much tougher time reaching our own level of technology because the easily available high-yield fossil fuels will be much harder to come by because of us.

[rtxoff]

Humanity hasn't been around long enough for a high tech civ to fall and for all the traces to vanish. Remember, we regularly find stone tools from the first tool-using humans, we'd find remnants of high technology just as easily. Nor could such a high tech group arise in isolation, leaving us to miss them because we haven't looked where their village was - to develop high technology, you need a large population, and posessing that tech would lead the group to expand. Any way you look at it, an ancient high tech civ should have us pulling ancient smartphones out of the rubble.

It's a little more practical to look at pre-human high tech cubs, but then we'd probably find something even from a dinosaur civilisation. Today's landfills will have traces of technology for millions of years, in the form of materials that don't occur in nature even if nothing recognizable survives.

Any civilization as advanced as ours would have exhausted the fossil fuel deposits as we are about to... Consequently, if we end up killing ourselves, any other intelligent species that might evolve after us will have a much tougher time reaching our own level of technology because the easily available high-yield fossil fuels will be much harder to come by because of us.

And why you guys think that any advanced civilization have to exactly look like OUR so called advanced civ. ?

Because we do so many bad things we are advanced as poo. , we are so arrogant of our selfes that we are blinded and fail to see what advancement is.

[Awaras]

And why you guys think that any advanced civilization have to exactly look like OUR so called advanced civ. ?

Because we do so many bad things we are advanced as poo. , we are so arrogant of our selfes that we are blinded and fail to see what advancement is.

Because in order to become MORE advanced than us, at some point they would have had to be LESS advanced or AS advanced as us, and easily available fossil fuels are arguably the only thing that allowed us to get where we are today. One does not go simply from burning wood to solar or fusion power, you know.

[Pawelk198604]

There's no evidence for this, and the idea is often used (along with ancient aliens) in a racist way to dismiss the achievements of real ancient civilisations that actually existed, eg ancient egypt.

Indeed,

There are also some people who say that the Americans never landed on the moonand and yet they landed, as ancient Egyptian built piermaidy what seemed impossible.

Although the prospect that once the land was to advanced civilization, or ET paid us a visit, is also very appealing to me

Edited June 1, 2014 by Pawelk198604

[Awaras]

http://www.eloquentpeasant.com/2007/08/24/why-the-aliens-did-not-build-the-pyramids/

[Cmdr. Arn1e]

Ladies and Gentlekerbals, for your consideration, I present to you the Antikythera mechanism:

This goes to show that the Greeks were far more advanced than anyone has really given them credit for; and that yes, they were aware of other planets and moons, and had the technology to track them almost as well as we can today (minus the telescopes to see them so clearly and in such detail).

Furthermore, there is evidence that the Incas of South America were not the first civilisation to build huge whacking great Pyrimids around the place; "When the Incas found a pyramid that had been built by another culture, they would build their own Inca temple on top of it." (Taken from Here, but relevant nonetheless...)

So there were reasonably advanced Civilisations prior to the Incas, capable of building good-sized Pyrimids of their own... usually when found, the Incas found piles of bodies/bones inside... and we don't know why today...

Considering Antarctica used to be verdant grassland, who knows what's buried under the ice today? It's a huge vast sheet of ice many feet thick covering the ground today, but scientists speculate that before the last ice age it was more like the south of the UK, ripe for life and human habitation... who knows what we might find in years to come when the ice finally thaws enough for us to look around and maybe dig to find out what, if any, types of things might have gone on there in the pre-ice-age days?

Some things in this world aren't nearly as clear cut as they seem, while other seemingly more complicated things have far simpler explanations... we just have to make up in our own minds what we believe, and what to disbelieve until proven...

[Kryten]

They did. Have a look at the various Pyramids all aligned along an past equator line around the Earth.

The great pyramid is at over 29 degrees north, and axial tilt doesn't exactly change rapidly. In order for it to be on a 'past equator line', it'd have to be literally billions of years old.

[pxi]

There's no evidence for this, and the idea is often used (along with ancient aliens) in a racist way to dismiss the achievements of real ancient civilisations that actually existed, eg ancient egypt.

I would disagree with it being defined as racist - the idea is usually applied across all early civilizations without any particular prejudice.

However I agree with the sentiment, it carries the idea that humans are incapable of any real achievement. I don't think that is intended so much as an insult to earlier civilizations, more that it is intended to influence the mindset of the individual in the present day in a negative way. I always get a chuckle that moreoften than not, the people expounding theories like these (and any of the overarching control conspiracy-theories) are usually the ones screaming that the 'sheeple' must be woken up.

As an aside, I loved the Mysterious Cities of Gold when I was younger.

[Awaras]

Oh, and Atlantis is totally something Plato made up to prove a point, and he says so himself in his"Timaeus" ("dialogue")...

[WinkAllKerb'']

If i have a clone of myself awekened in 20 000 to 50 000 years i probably feel like a neanderhtal. *shrug*

edit: advanced is meaningless/full relative to epoch and current tendencies wich both are subjective interpretation under the dogme of our lifespan aka 0 to a few 100 years for now

Edited June 1, 2014 by WinkAllKerb''

[Seret]

Also most master builders will tell you even nowadays buildings like the Cheops pyramid are not buildable with this precision.

As an engineer myself, I highly doubt that.

A lot of the so-called problems with the pyramids' construction methods go away when you ask an engineer instead of an archaeologist to look at it. Archaeologists are researchers, they have a different skill set. I saw a doco a while back where they challenged an engineering class from an Egyptian university to crack some of the problems vexing the Egyptologists, such as how to position the roof slabs of a burial chamber. The students nailed it, just by applying an engineering mindset to the problems. And these were just kids, not even experienced civil engineers.

There are a whole range of pyramids from different eras that demonstrate increasing sophistication in methods. At no point do they make any unfathomable leaps. They also make numerous huge blunders due to their lack of predictive theories the materials and forces involved. A lot of it was just trial and error. There's nothing mystical about the Egyptian pyramids. They're impressive works, but there's no reason to think they were built using technology more advanced than what we know they had.

[Albert VDS]

They did. Have a look at the various Pyramids all aligned along an past equator line around the Earth.

Also most master builders will tell you even nowadays buildings like the Cheops pyramid are not buildable with this precision.

In that line of thought; do you know how to make an analog watch which has an accuracy of 1 second in 1000 years? Chances are you don't know how to make one yourself. By your logic that would make such a watch not man made technology.

[tychochallenge]

perhaps certain types of (raptor) dinosaurs became intelligent and created a civilization, but existed for such a brief period that no evidence of them would be found like in Baxter's novel Evolution

[WinkAllKerb'']

*snip* they have a different skill set. *snip*

and further more, from a random survey (no links sorry anyway we're talking about sci fi xD )

you take the same problem and give it to some man and woman

if you say the problem is artistic woman get best result

if you say the problem is scientific the man get best result

then matter is not the problem in itself but the way you present it to the audience.

That's all folks

[Nibb31]

perhaps certain types of (raptor) dinosaurs became intelligent and created a civilization, but existed for such a brief period that no evidence of them would be found like in Baxter's novel Evolution

A civilization would leave some traces. Or else it wouldn't be a civilization.

[Rakaydos]

In the dark ages, peasants were finding evidence of advanced civilizations everywhere. Today, we call that advanced civilization Rome.

[vger]

Anyone ever seen enough of "The World Without Us" to know how long it would take for all evidence of our current civilization to go poof?

'course, I have yet to even find any criticisms about how accurate it may or may not be.

Edited June 1, 2014 by vger