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Don't include me in your 'we'. I understand what dark energy is. Dark energy is aether continuously emitted into the Universal jet.

Explain how time and space are created/expand. - - - Updated - - - I must have missed where you explained what dark energy is. Dark energy is aether continuously emitted into the Universal jet.

Not meant to offend but the notion of a uniform cmbr is incorrect. 'Cosmic microwave background' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation#Low_multipoles_and_other_anomalies "With the increasingly precise data provided by WMAP, there have been a number of claims that the CMB exhibits anomalies, such as very large scale anisotropies, anomalous alignments, and non-Gaussian distributions. ... A number of groups have suggested that this could be the signature of new physics at the greatest observable scales" The new physics is understanding our Universe is a larger version of a galactic polar jet.

You are able to understand in a boat double slit experiment the boat travels through a single slit even when you close your eyes. It's no different for the particle in a double slit experiment. The particle always travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave in the aether which passes through both. In a boat double slit experiment the boat always detected traveling through a single slit is evidence the boat always travels through a single slit. In a double slit experiment the particle always detected traveling through a single slit is evidence the particle always travels through a single slit. When you suggest the particle does not travel through a single slit when you don't detect it is the same thing as stating the boat doesn't travel through a single slit when you close your eyes.

Your original post: Not in de Broglie's double solution theory. Not in de Broglie's double solution theory. In de Broglie's double solution theory the particle always travels through a single slit and the associated wave passes through both.

Everything you were saying in your original post was incorrect because you thought de Broglie's double solution theory was de Broglie-Bohm/Bohmian mechanics/pilot-wave theory. In de Broglie's double solution theory, which is what I have been discussing since my original post, in a double slit experiment the particle always travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave in the hidden medium which passes through both. In your original post you were insisting that wasn't the case because you incorrectly thought de Broglie's double solution theory was pilot-wave theory. Understanding de Broglie's double solution theory is the point.

Mainstream physics thinks the particle is the wave. This is incorrect. Wave-particle duality is a particle and a wave. The particle is always a particle and the associated wave is always a wave.

de Broglie has two theories. He started off with his double solution theory. He then went on to his pilot-wave theory. He wound up figuring out that the wave-function wave doesn't exist. It is a mathematical construct only. This meant the pilot-wave could not in any way be represented by the wave-function wave. He then went back to his original thinking which was his double solution theory. First and foremost, de Broglie's double solution theory is not a pilot-wave theory. de Broglie's double solution theory has nothing to do with de Broglie-Bohm theory. de Broglie-Bohm theory is Bohm's pilot-wave theory. It should be called Bohmian mechanics as de Broglie disagreed with it. Just as in a boat double slit experiment the boat travels through a single slit even when you close your eyes, the particle in a double slit experiment passes through a single slit even when you don't detect it. Just as in a boat double slit experiment the bow wave passes through both slits, in a double slit experiment, the wave in the physical medium passes through both slits.

[snip] de Broglie's double solution theory is not pilot-wave theory. That's the "to render impossible the adoption of the pilot-wave theory" part in the following quote. "During the summer of 1951, there came to my attention, much to my surprise, a paper by David Bohm which appeared subsequently in The Physical Review [3]. In this paper Bohm went back to my theory of the pilot-wave, considering the W wave as a physical reality* He made a certain number of interesting remarks on the subject, and in particular, he indicated the broad outline of a theory of measurement that seemed to answer the objections Pauli had made to my approach in 1927.3 My first reaction on reading Bohm’s work was to reiterate, in a communication to the Comptes rendus de VAcademic des Sciences [4], the objections, insurmountable in my opinion, that seemed to render impossible any attribution of physical reality to the W wave, and consequently, to render impossible the adoption of the pilot-wave theory." In pilot-wave theory the pilot wave physically exists in configuration space. de Broglie says configuration space doesn't exist. "In addition, we will see that, for particle systems, the [wave-function] wave is propagated in a configuration space, which is an abstract and fictitious space." In de Broglie's double solution theory the wave-function wave is a mathematical construct only. It doesn't physically exist. It is the physical wave in the physical medium which guides the particle. pilot-wave theory: one wave. The wave-function wave is the pilot-wave. de Broglie's double solution theory: two waves. A wave-function wave which is statistical, non-physical and is used to determine the probabilistic results of experiments and the physical wave in the physical medium which guides the particle.

I am not discussing de Broglie-Bohm theory as de Broglie disagreed with it. NON-LINEAR WAVE MECHANICS A CAUSAL INTERPRETATION by LOUIS DE BROGLIE "During the summer of 1951, there came to my attention, much to my surprise, a paper by David Bohm which appeared subsequently in The Physical Review [3]. In this paper Bohm went back to my theory of the pilot-wave, considering the W wave as a physical reality* He made a certain number of interesting remarks on the subject, and in particular, he indicated the broad outline of a theory of measurement that seemed to answer the objections Pauli had made to my approach in 1927.3 My first reaction on reading Bohm’s work was to reiterate, in a communication to the Comptes rendus de VAcademic des Sciences [4], the objections, insurmountable in my opinion, that seemed to render impossible any attribution of physical reality to the W wave, and consequently, to render impossible the adoption of the pilot-wave theory." de Broglie says it is impossible to attribute physical reality to the wave-function wave. There are two waves in de Broglie's double solution theory. There is the wave-function wave which is statistical, non-physical and is used to determine the probabilistic results of experiments. There is also a physical wave in the hidden subquantic medium which guides the particle. de Broglie-Bohm theory should be called Bohmian mechanics as de Broglie disagreed with it. "In addition, we will see that, for particle systems, the [wave-function] wave is propagated in a configuration space, which is an abstract and fictitious space." Bohmian mechanics: configuration space is real and is what waves in terms of the pilot-wave. de Broglie's double solution theory: configuration space is fictitious. It is a mathematical construct. It doesn't physically exist. The guiding wave exists in a physically real hidden medium.

If you had read the quote from John Bell and made an attempt to understand it you would have understood the reason for the thread. In mainstream physics the wave-function wave is thought to be physically real. In mainstream physics the particle is the wave. This is incorrect. Wave-particle duality is a particle and a wave. In mainstream physics, in a double slit experiment, they can't even understand the particle always travels through a single slit. 'The Most Embarrassing Graph in Modern Physics' http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/01/17/the-most-embarrassing-graph-in-modern-physics/ de Broglie's double solution theory, which is the correct interpretation, isn't even listed. In de Broglie's double solution theory there are two waves. There is the wave-function wave which is statistical, non-physical and is used to determine the probabilistic results of experiments and there is a physical wave in a hidden subquantic medium. It is the physical wave in the physical medium that waves.

Wave-particle duality is a moving particle and it's associated wave in the aether. "While the founding fathers agonized over the question 'particle' or 'wave', de Broglie in 1925 proposed the obvious answer 'particle' and 'wave'. Is it not clear from the smallness of the scintillation on the screen that we have to do with a particle? And is it not clear, from the diffraction and interference patterns, that the motion of the particle is directed by a wave? De Broglie showed in detail how the motion of a particle, passing through just one of two holes in screen, could be influenced by waves propagating through both holes. And so influenced that the particle does not go where the waves cancel out, but is attracted to where they cooperate. This idea seems to me so natural and simple, to resolve the wave-particle dilemma in such a clear and ordinary way, that it is a great mystery to me that it was so generally ignored." - John Bell In the following two articles the aether is what waves in a double slit experiment. In the first article the aether has mass. 'From the Newton's laws to motions of the fluid and superfluid vacuum: vortex tubes, rings, and others' http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.3900 "This medium, called also the aether, has mass and is populated by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it" ... ... and displace it. 'EPR program: a local interpretation of QM' http://arxiv.org/abs/1412.5612 "Wave particle duality is described as the compound system of point particle plus accompanying wave (in the æther)." In the following articles Louis de Broglie describes wave-particle duality as a moving particle and it's associated wave in a hidden subquantic medium. 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE' http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf “When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles.†“any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous “energetic contact†with a hidden medium†The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. "For me, the particle, precisely located in space at every instant, forms on the v wave a small region of high energy concentration, which may be likened in a first approximation, to a moving singularity." A particle may be likened in a first approximation to a moving singularity which has an associated aether displacement wave. "the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave" The particle occupies a very small region of the associated aether wave. Q. Why is the particle always detected traveling through a single slit in a double slit experiment? A. The particle always travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave in the aether which passes through both. The wave of wave-particle duality is a wave in the aether. In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether passes through both. As the wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave guiding the particle. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit destroys the cohesion between the particle and its associated wave in the aether, the particle continues on the trajectory it was traveling and does not form an interference pattern.

'On the Modern Status of the Universe Rotation Problem' http://file.scirp.org/Html/12-7501435_36098.htm "our Universe rotate, most probably" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_flow "analysis by a member of the Planck collaboration, Fernando Atrio-Barandela, suggested the data were consistent with the earlier findings from WMAP." 'On the Statistical Significance of the Bulk Flow Measured by the PLANCK Satellite - Fernando Atrio-Barandela' http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6614 "When either effect is taken into account, the corrected errors agree with those obtained using random distributions of clusters on Planck data, and the resulting statistical significance of the dipole measured by Planck is consistent with that of the WMAP results." The 'dark flow' is evidence that our Universe is a larger version of a galactic polar jet. Our Universe is a larger version of one of the following.

It's possible. As of now, we have no evidence of anything other than our Universal jet.

'Was the universe born spinning?' http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688 "The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis" Our Universe spins around a preferred axis because it is a larger version of a galactic polar jet. 'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe' http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html "The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said." The clusters are headed along this path because our Universe is a larger version of a polar jet. It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing. 'Dark matter' is now understood to fill what would otherwise be considered to be empty space. 'Cosmologists at Penn Weigh Cosmic Filaments and Voids' http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/cosmologists-penn-weigh-cosmic-filaments-and-voids "Dark matter ... permeate all the way to the center of the voids." 'No Empty Space in the Universe --Dark Matter Discovered to Fill Intergalactic Space' http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/02/no-empty-space-in-the-universe-dark-matter-discovered-to-fill-intergalactic-space-.html "A long standing mystery on where the missing dark matter is has been solved by the research. There is no empty space in the universe. The intergalactic space is filled with dark matter." I use the term 'dark mass' to describe the mass which fills 'empty' space. Dark energy is dark mass continuously emitted into the Universal jet. Our Universe is a larger version of the following artist's image of a galactic polar jet. Matter is moving outward and away from us in three dimensional space. 'The Milky Way's dark matter halo appears to be lopsided' http://arxiv.org/abs/0903.3802 "the emerging picture of the dark matter halo of the Milky Way is dominantly lopsided in nature." The Milky Way's halo is not a clump of dark matter traveling along with the Milky Way. The Milky Way's halo is lopsided due to the matter in the Milky Way moving through and displacing the dark mass, analogous to a submarine moving through and displacing the water. The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the dark mass. The Milky Way moves through and curves spacetime. The Milky Way's halo is curved spacetime. The state of displacement of the dark mass is curved spacetime. The state of displacement of the dark mass is gravity.

2. What you refer to as threads is actually the state of displacement of the dark mass. It's not a thread in 'empty' space. It's where the dark mass is displaced by the galaxies moving through and displacing it. Think of a parade of submarines moving closely together and displacing the water. The 'thread' is the state of displacement of the water.

Think of a boat double slit experiment. You place a bunch of pilings at the exits to the slits in order to detect the boat. The boat gets knocked around by the pilings and is no longer in sync with its bow wave. It will take time to regain its 'cohesion' with its bow wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the dark mass passes through both. As the wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave guiding the particle. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit destroys the cohesion between the particle and its associated wave in the dark mass, the particle continues on the trajectory it was traveling and does not form an interference pattern. When you detect the particle the associated wave continues to exist. However, the particle is no longer in sync with its wave. If you detect the particle far enough in front of the double slit experiment and the particle is given time to regain its cohesion with its associated wave prior to the experiment then the particle will still form an interference pattern if it is not detected exiting a slit. When you detect the particle strongly and stop the particle the wave continues to exist and adds to the chaotic nature of the dark mass. NON-LINEAR WAVE MECHANICS A CAUSAL INTERPRETATION by LOUIS DE BROGLIE “Since 1954, when this passage was written, I have come to support wholeheartedly an hypothesis proposed by Bohm and Vigier. According to this hypothesis, the random perturbations to which the particle would be constantly subjected, and which would have the probability of presence in terms of [the wave-function wave], arise from the interaction of the particle with a “subquantic medium†which escapes our observation and is entirely chaotic, and which is everywhere present in what we call “empty spaceâ€Â.†The “subquantic medium†is the dark mass. `Fluid mechanics suggests alternative to quantum orthodoxy' http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/fluid-systems-quantum-mechanics-0912 "The fluidic pilot-wave system is also chaotic. It's impossible to measure a bouncing droplet's position accurately enough to predict its trajectory very far into the future. But in a recent series of papers, Bush, MIT professor of applied mathematics Ruben Rosales, and graduate students Anand Oza and Dan Harris applied their pilot-wave theory to show how chaotic pilot-wave dynamics leads to the quantumlike statistics observed in their experiments." A "fluidic pilot-wave system" is the dark mass. `When Fluid Dynamics Mimic Quantum Mechanics' http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130729111934.htm "If you have a system that is deterministic and is what we call in the business `chaotic,' or sensitive to initial conditions, sensitive to perturbations, then it can behave probabilistically," Milewski continues. "Experiments like this weren't available to the giants of quantum mechanics. They also didn't know anything about chaos. Suppose these guys -- who were puzzled by why the world behaves in this strange probabilistic way -- actually had access to experiments like this and had the knowledge of chaos, would they have come up with an equivalent, deterministic theory of quantum mechanics, which is not the current one? That's what I find exciting from the quantum perspective." What waves in a double slit experiment is the dark mass. I recommend watching all of the following videos. The part having to do with the double slit experiment is at the 2:43 mark of the first video.

The notion that dark matter is a clump of stuff that travels with the matter is incorrect. The mass which fills the space unoccupied by particles of matter as a Bose-Einstein condensate which the particles of matter move through and displace is more correct than the current notion of dark matter as a clump of stuff traveling with the matter. 'Dark matter' is now understood to fill what would otherwise be considered to be empty space. 'Cosmologists at Penn Weigh Cosmic Filaments and Voids' http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/cosmologists-penn-weigh-cosmic-filaments-and-voids "Dark matter ... permeate all the way to the center of the voids." 'No Empty Space in the Universe --Dark Matter Discovered to Fill Intergalactic Space' http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/02/no-empty-space-in-the-universe-dark-matter-discovered-to-fill-intergalactic-space-.html "A long standing mystery on where the missing dark matter is has been solved by the research. There is no empty space in the universe. The intergalactic space is filled with dark matter." I use the term 'dark mass' to describe the mass which fills 'empty' space. Particles of matter move through and displace the dark mass, including 'particles' as large as galaxies and galaxy clusters. What physics mistakes for the density of the dark matter is actually the state of displacement of the dark mass. 'The Milky Way's dark matter halo appears to be lopsided' http://arxiv.org/abs/0903.3802 "the emerging picture of the dark matter halo of the Milky Way is dominantly lopsided in nature." The Milky Way's halo is not a clump of dark matter traveling along with the Milky Way. The Milky Way's halo is lopsided due to the matter in the Milky Way moving through and displacing the dark mass, analogous to a submarine moving through and displacing the water. The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the dark mass. The Milky Way moves through and curves spacetime. The Milky Way's halo is curved spacetime. The state of displacement of the dark mass is curved spacetime. The state of displacement of the dark mass is gravity. A moving particle has an associated wave in the dark mass. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the dark mass passes through both. Q. Why is the particle always detected traveling through a single slit in a double slit experiment? A. The particle always travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave in the dark mass which passes through both. The wave of wave-particle duality is a wave in the dark mass. What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment, the dark mass. Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, both are waves in the dark mass. Dark mass displaced by matter relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.

Which is why you can't understand in a double slit experiment the particle always travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the dark mass passes through both.

You didn't answer any of the questions. - - - Updated - - - Exactly, and that is why you are unable to understand what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment.

Even as a computer science student you are capable of understanding always observing the boat traveling through a single slit in a boat double slit experiment is evidence the boat always travels through a single slit, correct? Quantum physicists are not able to understand that in terms of the particle in a double slit experiment. They are incapable of understanding there is a particle and a wave. - - - Updated - - - 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html "Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the course of time; or else-with the help of small floats, for instance - we can observe how the position of the separate particles of water alters in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for tracking the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental impossibility in physics - if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium." if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the dark mass as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that the dark mass consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium having mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it. - - - Updated - - - How? When a C60 molecule is used in a double slit experiment does this mean there are 120 atoms exiting both slits and only 60 are detected or some subset of atoms pass through both slits, say for example 40 atoms through one slit and 20 through the other? Why? If 60 atoms are exiting both slits then why aren't two C60 molecules detecting exiting both slits? If 40 atoms are exiting one slit and 20 atoms the other why are all 60 detected exiting a single slit? No, its not. You threw a bunch of terms together. You did not explain what is occurring physically in nature. The following describes what is occurring physically in nature. A moving particle has an associated wave in the dark mass. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave which passes through both. As the wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave guiding the particle. Strongly detecting the particle causes a loss of cohesion between the particle and its associated wave, the particle continues on the trajectory it was traveling and it does not form an interference pattern. Weakly detecting the particle allows for the particle and its associated wave to maintain some of their cohesion, allowing the particle to still form an interference pattern. This is getting pathetic. Explain what occurs physically in a double slit experiment, or feel free to get out.

MMX looked for an absolutely stationary space the Earth moves through. The dark mass is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it. "The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University Matter, quantum solids and fluids, window glass and 'stuff' have mass and so does the dark mass.

"Doth not this aethereal medium in passing out of water, glass, crystal, and other compact and dense bodies in empty spaces, grow denser and denser by degrees, and by that means refract the rays of light not in a point, but by bending them gradually in curve lines? ...Is not this medium much rarer within the dense bodies of the Sun, stars, planets and comets, than in the empty celestial space between them? And in passing from them to great distances, doth it not grow denser and denser perpetually, and thereby cause the gravity of those great bodies towards one another, and of their parts towards the bodies; every body endeavouring to go from the denser parts of the medium towards the rarer?" - Newton Newton is referring to the state of displacement of the dark mass.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE' http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf “When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles.â€Â

"quite easy to calculate using it" does not describe what is occurring physically in nature. The following describes what is occurring physically in nature. A moving particle has an associated wave in the dark mass. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave which passes through both. As the wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave guiding the particle. Strongly detecting the particle causes a loss of cohesion between the particle and its associated wave, the particle continues on the trajectory it was traveling and it does not form an interference pattern. Weakly detecting the particle allows for the particle and its associated wave to maintain some of their cohesion, allowing the particle to still form an interference pattern.