Mr_Hubris

gotcha, one last question if you dont mind? can the aircraft detach from a independant radom on the ground or is that not allowed? and what are the benefits of a radome or radar

copy, ill have a craft ready to submit before midnight NA eastern time tonight, where do i submit?

sorry i thought the entries had be closed... making a plane right now cheers ALSO, if probe cores are aloud, how do you get them to work again? like what are the bd parts you need to stick on

alphasus when will the next one be? what mods will be permitted? id love to do one with ferram and procedural wings perhaps... PLEASE START A NEW TOURNEY I WANNA JOIN ONE SO BAD BUT CANT FIND ONE

So who will be hosting the next tournament? Where do we stand on box craft? Ill be a salmon and swim where the group goes on the box planes, just need to no if its a go or a no so i know what to build as a template for next tournament

I have a question for you then... do you not consider the c.450 coleoptere to be a jet? it was not the only aircraft (as MANY were made) with this sort of design. NOW you could argue that it didn't work very well. However I am not talking about the VTOL characteristics or the tail sitter design but the wing around it. the Germans (ww2) made MANY designs that were to use the same technology and since they do not have to have a long wingspan they were incredibly efficient in terms of space used to create lift. I just want to remind you that a ducted wing does not clip, does not contain a "skin" with enclosed wings i.e a box... AND is considered an aircraft. My point is there are MANY different variables that the conversation you have entered are ignoring and makes the conversation rather pointless..... the rules need to state what format of aircraft are aloud or even better, what ones aren't. otherwise these types of arguments would go on forever and would just fill this thread up with useless information. Personally I think there should be a ban on enclosed box aircraft as aerodynamically they should NOT WORK. That being said aircraft that use ducted wings are perfectly within the rules of a non clipping wing if done correctly. Also a ducted wing does not need to remain a cylindrical shape you could have ducted squares, triangles hell, octagons remain well within the definition of a ducted wing. My take away from everything I've said above is that if it is not aerodynamically sound in real life it should not be aloud into these tournaments. How would such decisions be made without bias? leave it up to a computer! I personally think we should encompass ferram aerospace into these tournaments to help enforce these rules. This would be beneficial to both the tournaments themselves and the mod and its creator, as I'm sure since we can find ways to exploit the aerodynamics in vanilla kerbal space program we can do the same with ferram and help improve the mod even more. This however, is just my 2 cents. I would love to hear your thoughts on this. Especially the thoughts of tournament Hosts. Catch you folks in the skies - - - Updated - - - "I really don't want this to turn out like Naval Battle Club." ~ I'm afraid you will need to explain how that went for me.

you almost ready to start this??? im so pumped even if i come last haha

I'm just in this to learn how to be a better player and see what works well i'm happy if i don't come last . As well, (and i take no offence if you were talking about my designs) mind taking a look at my two most recent? Just curious what someone who has some experience thinks about them (suggestions are more than welcome but i just mean an out of ten rating etc) (this comment is a reply to alphasus... It replied to the whole forum for some reason :/)

im super excited about this tourney, how many entries so far? no more than 8 right?

craft file here craft file here just name them whatever you wish [h=2]Awimbawe[/h]

okay working on it right now! they will be done soon :-) I appreciate the tolerance for my mistakes as this is my first top gun tournament.

noted... do what you wish with me entry (change the planes fly em as is use two of the acceptable ones) ill get it next time and ill format my future posts accordingly as well, my apologies for my sloppy posts I'll work on it as best as I can

ok please reserve a spot for me in this tourney i am fixing this problem ASAP - - - Updated - - - AWIMBAWE ok try these links, get back to me ASAP if it works or not and ill work out another way to get it to you if its still stuborn craft file here craft file here

AWIMBAWE Okay I'm locked in, please read the description to my cx-11 hubris... and play nice with the rules http://kerbalx.com/crafts/4988/edit http://kerbalx.com/crafts/5007/edit please do record this! i wanna see how hard i fail - - - Updated - - - I know its early to be asking, but is anyone planning on running a 1 craft top gun ai tourney after this top wing one? i have one hell of a design... just need the rules to be 155 part limit

I have a question about these two quoted pieces of the rules: 1: "-ALL PLANES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE RADOME, POINTING FORWARD. THE RADOME ITSELF DESIGNATES WHAT DIRECTION IS 'FORWARD' ON YOUR PLANE." Is the TWS locking radar included in this rule as a "radome" or no? 2:-REACTION WHEELS ARE ALSO NOT ALLOWED (except for the reaction wheels in the cockpit)."Does this mean i can use cockpits as reaction wheels? my question includes probes please do get back to me on this as i need to know these two pieces of information before I submit my two crafts. cheers EDIT: Almost forgot to mention, am I aloud to submit my two crafts vie KerbalX? also, if my craft is basically a box, am I aloud to put non-clipping control surfaces inside of it or is that not aloud? as well, how much does ammo cost for machine guns (in points) or is it not tallied p in the points

I kinda got carried away and re made my planes before the tourney criteria came out... anyhow I based my two craft on the criteria that i on the first page of this thread... I hope that's what's going to be used >.< however it is your tournament so I will adjust if needed. Part count for both aircraft combined is exactly 150 parts. CX-11 Micro Hubris: Chaff x4 - 8 points Flares x4 - 12 points Vulcan Turret x1 - 7 points AIM 120 x2 - 8 points AIM 9 x2 - 12 points TOTAL:49 points http://kerbalx.com/Mr_Hubris/CX-417-Micro-Hubris CX-11 Hubris: Chaff x4 - 8 points Flares x4 - 12 points Vulcan Turret x2 - 14 points AIM-120 x2 - 8 points AIM-9 x2 - 12 points TOTAL: 54 http://kerbalx.com/Mr_Hubris/CX-11-Hubris Picture of both of them can be found on the kerbalx website. Creative combat PLEASE DO NOT DOWNLOAD THE CRAFT FILES LISTED ABOVE UNTIL THE SET IN STONE RULES ARE PUT UP... ty <3

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Here's my entry! sorry no professional pictures or the like i'm a noob :S... The CX-11 Star Slugger: http://kerbalx.com/Mr_Hubris/CX-11-Star-Slugger