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@Gargamel Don't put words in my mouth that i never spoke, dont frame me. I'm into development as well, when I see poor designs or broken stuff, i'll improve it, that's work what coders 'should' do. I can only guess that current development is too much driven at 'new markets', and they're forgetting something valuable. Their current market, I don't know the wages of the coders, but i would assume that a game like KSP, could have a continuous income, and serious Fan developers. So use part of the income for continuously improving, and make KSP2 or KSP 1.5.0 In development one cannot be stuck by poor decisions (only by poor management), just let coders do what they are best at.

Its not a point... properly caching is the answer. i can easily copy 10 gig in under a minute between SSD's, while these Mods are only 700mb. It also means i kan put 10Gig in under a minute in memory too (as i do often when editing video) With a proper caching mechanism this game could load in a minute. The absence of such a caching system, requires the game to load and convert and to verify stuff, each game start. Sadly it seams of no interest to ksp devs.

Just for the fun of it, take some large video file, ea 1Gig or so, and copy it to another disk, and time this. Since disk IO is slow (yes even SSD), (as compared to running CPU memory instructions). If all were optimal coded and if some caching mechanism was used, that time can be, "if all was well coded", be the time the game would need to load. I'm speaking here as a developer, i'd advice KSP devs to create such a caching system. For most files its not needed to read line by line the settings, eventually once red its a binary blob of data (save that, and offer to load from that). With some exceptions ea save games. Also check the code for other dependancies (intializations of core parts) that could cause loading delays.

Some analysis, i wrote a program to read filesize as per type in all mod dirs (coded in C#). The total was just 720MB, as i told earlier i do video editing, for me thats a small size. Performing a copy or so of a file that size takes just a few secconds. On a system width 24GB of memory copying that to memory is even faster (only 1 time disk IO). Well some data has to be copied to GPU as well ..but that wouldnt explain the huge delays. (if.... it's done properly). Analysis shows filetype , the size, and the count of that type Here is the result : .dds 399,00 Mb 1036 .mu 149,00 Mb 1114 .png 120,00 Mb 711 .wav 45,00 Mb 53 .mbm 26,00 Mb 33 .ksp 11,00 Mb 155 .tif 10,00 Mb 1 .ogg 10,00 Mb 254 .dll 6,00 Mb 43 .pdf 3,00 Mb 1 .cfg 3,00 Mb 1341 .tga 1,00 Mb 14 .pdb 1,00 Mb 8 .truecolor 321,00 Kb 28 .txt 271,00 Kb 76 .mdb 196,00 Kb 5 .md 66,00 Kb 4 .log 22,00 Kb 1 .version 17,00 Kb 30 .craft 15,00 Kb 1 ._cfg 8,00 Kb 2 .nocfg 6,00 Kb 2 .xml 3,00 Kb 9 .Bac 1,00 Kb 1 .config 0,00 Kb 2 .meta 0,00 Kb 1 .pos 0,00 Kb 5 Total size of it all = 792,00 Mb

Well the list of mods has been changed over time, and its just slow ever. There dont seam to be conflicts in the mod combinations either. Its the way how this program works, how it deals with loading data. Jst do one binary blob data cache load, and dont do 100;s of partial file loads. Ask user if some mods should be excluded from cache but keep it just one file. The cache could be compressed on disk (unpacking is often faster then disk IO itself). Unless mods are added/updated cache could load once in memory and start game (as like a VM was pauzed and started again)

Sorry for my relate reply but these problems i see are NOT related to hardware. Nor software drivers, or antivirus (..but if it would be, then fix THAT dependency). This PC was bought for Video Editing, 8 cores 3 GHz and SSD's Nvidea graphics etc. I bought History expansion pack, i support the game. I rather think its time that the devs start to think of optimizing this game. Also its slow when moving into or leaving Vab, this game has issues Here a list of installed mods, I dont see a reason to blame it on Mod Usage (ea game would be boring without them). "ModuleManager" "ShuttleLiftingBodyCormorantAeronology" "NearFuturePropulsion" "MechJeb2" "USI-EXP" "USI-LS" "CommunityTechTree" "KIS" "KSP-AVC" "MechJebEmbeddedUniversalFree" "NearFutureElectrical-Core" "USI-FTT" "RasterPropMonitor" "PrakasaAeroworks" "Karbonite" "CommunityResourcePack" "TweakScale" "USI-MKSLite" "USITools" "SmokeScreen" "Firespitter" "NearFutureSolar-Core" "NearFutureProps" "KarbonitePlus" "InfernalRobotics" "ModularFlightIntegrator" "NearFutureSolar" "KAS" "InfernalRobotics-LegacyParts" "FerramAerospaceResearch" "USI-UKS-Shared" "USI-Core" "FirespitterCore" "USI-SRV" "NearFutureSpacecraft" "RasterPropMonitor-Core" "Chatterer" "NearFutureElectrical" "NearFutureConstruction" "FirespitterResourcesConfig" "B9PartSwitch"

A game that is started frequently but killed often after 10 minutes when i lose all joy due to waiting. I wont blame the mods, without it the game is no fun either. How many people kill kspbecause of the long waitings ..

i hope the extra funding by releasing this update will improve the game a bit more. But a next time just create proposals on patron or so, i think many people would like this game to work (a bit) better.

Bought the latest version KSP, and loading time well it got even more worse. I think this game is so good because of the open mod community around it (it adds a lot joy to the game). But all those mods make it terrible slow to load. I can imagine loading textures into GPU takes some time, but i dont change mods, then why not keep the texture cash as one binary data blob on load it in all at once on start. The same goes for all added logic. Sure a "fresh" reload option should be in it as well (in cases of mod selection changes, or disk corruption), but well in simple the loading of the game could use some optimization development attention. (and no, disabling a single network card does not make a difference the game is just plain slow on loading, neither do i use hamachi vpn's) Loading the game takes about +5 minutes, often its a reason to turn of my pc because meanwhile i lost interest in the game, kinda sad but i just hate long waits on blazing fast computers. Oh and its on a fast SSD too, so it completely beats me why it is so slow (multitrack video editing for example requires more IO operations and works perfectly).

well it never worked.. not sure what to do here are the logs. Unity Player [version: Unity 5.4.0p4_b15b5ae035b7] mono.dll caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005) in module mono.dll at 0033:9c0a0e18. Error occurred at 2017-05-26_215400. G:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Kerbal Space Program\KSP_x64.exe, run by pgt 59% memory in use. 12175 MB physical memory [4923 MB free]. 36175 MB paging file [26798 MB free]. 134217728 MB user address space [134215402 MB free]. Read from location 00000000 caused an access violation. Context: RDI: 0x103aed30 RSI: 0x36bdf540 RAX: 0x00000000 RBX: 0x00000007 RCX: 0xfffffffe RDX: 0x00000069 RIP: 0x9c0a0e18 RBP: 0x00efdc70 SegCs: 0x00000033 EFlags: 0x00010206 RSP: 0x00efdb70 SegSs: 0x0000002b R8: 0x176db8e7 R9: 0x00efdce8 R10: 0x103aec70 R11: 0x00efdb00 R12: 0x103aedc0 R13: 0x00000053 R14: 0x784d3e40 R15: 0x00000001 Bytes at CS:EIP: 48 8b 10 48 8b ce 48 8b d8 e8 4e f7 ff ff 48 8b Stack: 0x00efdb70: 00000007 00000000 00efdc70 00000000 ........p....... 0x00efdb80: 36bdf540 00000000 103aed30 00000000 @..6....0.:..... 0x00efdb90: 00efdba0 00000000 000001d3 00000000 ................ 0x00efdba0: 04754d48 00000000 36bdf540 00000000 [email protected].... 0x00efdbb0: 3d56be50 00000000 00000001 00000000 P.V=............ 0x00efdbc0: 00000000 00000000 3d56be80 00000000 ..........V=.... 0x00efdbd0: 3d9487c0 00000000 9c171d48 00007ffb ...=....H....... 0x00efdbe0: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................ 0x00efdbf0: 3d9487c0 00000000 9c01232d 00007ffb ...=....-#...... 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assuming the update is for everyone, as i never had the idea this game was finished. and asuming 2013 is a typo, it would be impossible to check that.

well i'm on mun, and well i made, a different route slightly less steep just to give impression various starting ships who didnt work out... The one above never made at a time i didnt knew my ground samples where all on a steep crater wall. Below i finally knew how problematic it was. On the right, 2 small driving cars, and a base without wheels.. the small rovers tipped over couldnt get there On the left one huge driving base with 10 wheels, in the end it was only used as a return ship for the astronauts while the right side ship was mainly used to re-fuel from. but then a craft with low wheels and low heigth, and some protection against damage in case it tips over. Sometimes if feels so lonely out there, and the dangers rise so tall on the horizon... Feeling left all alone on the mun... and all i got was this lazy tshirt.... but what is that a wall in front of me ?? i feel like spiderman thanks to rover auto pilot i guess, bit for once this mission needed an end.. oh and i didnt turn at the end i drove back in reverse

yes i updated module manager to 2.7.5 and community techtree, since then all nodes are empty with exception for what i had discovered ok restarted PC it works... not sure maybe todo with some disk cache or so and old dll's

for a long while everything worked ok, didnt update the game and all the mods, but i missed some parts. so then i thought since comunity tech tree reveals them maybe i only update that one. And so i updated it and also updated module manager 2.7.2 now with exception for all the things i allready discovered, all other nodes are empty ??? ( not a few nodes but all nodes, suddenly nuclear engines etc are empty) I dont have something like hide undiscovered tech enabled, and i really miss everything beyond current, did something change ?. what can i do about it ?.

How would a small flight suit look like ? (i've never seen it) i just got the point Beta, drove as far as i could and then i climbed the hill... (i was supriced the kerbal could do that, not sure if it was a bug but it worked). still though the other 2 are at even more impossible locations. I tried rover with rocket engines as well, but since its a deep crater, its a large wall and its still not easy with it.

hmm... i also found a kind of hack, using s.m.a.r.t of mechjeb, but i dont like to do that. flying kerbals.. hmm that might be it.

got no idea yet its a huge hill and i need to be on it, 300m distance isnt close enough. well it normally is but at 300m its still to steep to stand still, or to get there.

it's not enough i just go off the crater hill

even with zig zagging it seams impossible, i'm using 10 TR-2L wheels but not enough grip

got a bit of a problem, 3 kerbals in low mun orbit, and i'm trying to make a rover to connect to that station, and then land to the mission location as i have to collect some mun dirt with a kerbal, in fact at 3 locations, the problem... its around 70% to 45 % slope the area i need to collect it from. so far i tried variouse rover-landers but so far i'm unable to stay there i just slide down faster and faster.. so any ideas on how to solve it, i need a surface collection from a crater hill, and i dont know how to design a rover that can climb so well, or stay in position with brakes. at such steep slopes

OK that's interesting, I wonder how can 4 scramjets power such a large craft to oribt? (did you use FAR ?, as i dont use that) i finally also managed my plane that can just deliver one orange tank (or else launch weight to heigh for the wings). its maneuverability is reasonable but a real low angle to space. it takes a long time till scramjet engine gets enough speed to reach orbital speed boost after which the other engines can take it over when it runs out of air, (mechjeb not used). its a high speed flyer, it is maneuverable but only barely, taking of is a bit tricky too.. (you got the speed but not that much wings so little lift >> pull up..). cost 259,051

KERBNASA has reviewed your comment ( @tseitsei89 ). The original goals have not been changed, however the mission requirements proposal has been rewritten. In such a way its slightly more easier, but also its more strict now. ( Proposal draft as in document 34.5.6.9x.a34b has been replaced by official mission plan 34.5.6.9x.a.34b102 )

Ok wel as a member of KERBNASA, we have need for a space plane. Not sure if is possible, but KERBNASA needs a SSTO drone plane. As for a next minimus mission the entire crew and staf, are allready in orbit, but out of feul. You as a contractor will deliver : A SSTO robotic fuel delivery service. At least one full orange fuell tank Rockomax jumbo-64 into a 90km orbit. (challenge). If you bring up more, its only better bonus points !. Its a refill mission so you also return with your tank back to Kerbin. Use a normal Clamp-O-Tron, docking device. The craft should be able to land, and be able use to fly several missions. Ascent can be space-plane horizontal or rocketry vertical (ea parachutes or wings, air brakes or combinations), but it must be a Single stage. Note however, that KERBNASA believes wings are more fun, so if you can have a controlled flight back and land horizontal, its again bonus points. The robotic fuel delivery service must be able to generate its own electric power, ea flight computers must be able to stay alive for a longer period (docking windows). It must be able to dock itself, using some mono propellant trusters (or liquid oxygen), or... To be efficient you likely will use engines like: Turbo Ramjet J-X4, Turbofan J404 or Rapier engine Maybe in combination with normal rocket parts. Engines from near future propulsion Additional mods Rockets from Near Future propulsion are allowed. All near future mods can be used, electric, solar etc.. Prakasa (the nice cockpits mod) it has a bit more efficient fuel tanks (but larger then the orange one, remind the bonus). Mechjeb, if you use it provide your ascent guide settings ascent path settings. If you make use of different mods, that are not a complete hack just mention them. The small letters in the contract in case you tought this is easy to win Then we're looking for the contractor with cheapest plane to build. This should be doable, currently i am under testing my Xproject seams to get close to it. The idea behind this is that it should be fun to fly refueling missions, and that there is a new market niche for smaller crafts instead of the heavy lifters. I've noticed its quite a challenge and fun even when using mechjeb to find the optimal route to orbit, do you go straight up, or under some angle... post your plane

gravity has been known on other planets even on earth, its calculated from orbits.. as for the science experiments, they do whath normal experiments do, they proof that the standard model is still correct first one calculates earth mass, earth sun orbit, sun mass, next any orbit , orbit speed is a known indicator for a mass / gravity pair.

you should check if you can write to disk, and if you cannt display an error (ea disk full, unable to write file ), also check if a file has been written, and didnt fail. -quick saves, ship saves, save games. i'm sure in return you get a lot less crash reports. Its verry common to do such checks, those are the little programming errors that you in general dont want if you operate so many installed apps in the field.