Thanks for all the advice and the hellos. It's great to have a community so welcoming for a change! Got Mechjeb thanks and almost got a ship into orbit which was awesome! As for over engineering.....may have been guilty of that. Possibly. It's like making a pizza, "Oh go on I'll just stick another bit here and a bit more there." and before you know it the whole thing is collapsing under it's own weight.