Thanks for the Help. though alot of it sounds like Abracadabra to me. Just started the the game a few days ago. don't have any mods installed on the base game right now either. Still from what i can gather i might need to add an extra stage to get it higher before decoupling the cube. Right now i decouple the launch stage at about 15km which i though was quite high. but we an go higher i figure.