well, sorry for asking this another time then! i should have found those thread Anyway, that's what i though about the alt+f4, but i though it wouldnt work since it may had time to autosave , wich replaced the old persistence file and that is why there is no back up, and i do make backup, just not every single time i played, so i just asked this, in case it would have saved me work for nothing, the quickload was a silly error because i was not paying enough attention, so dont need to be rude, well all do mistake here and there The way the save work are not so bad, but still like the idea of Mr Shifty, for some ppl making the mistake you talk about Johnno (and it would have saved me too) it will prevent from doing this action Well thx for the rapid respond though and you still told what i asked for, thx!