Johnno, The engines were the same but I realized where I went wrong. When I started deleting the fuel tanks I could see where some of the fuel tanks were connected to the fuel tank next to it but not to the tank above it. So I trashed the whole thing and started building from the nose cone down. Before I had gone from the bottom up and I think I was experiencing the issue with the Unity engine with the parent child relationships. Before I couldn't get the 4 way symmetry to work when adding tanks and it worked this time. Thanks for the advice as you were spot on. Thanks, Maddog10