"Venus Project" Has anyone ever heard of this?

[Kinglet]

I wouldn't necessarily say that the Master Computer of "Paranoia" is a necessary element to eliminating money, but one could probably make a good argument that technology is swiftly coming to an event that will deal unimaginable chaos to the economy. Specifically I'm referring to automation. As the tech improves and continues to eliminate the need for humans, I really don't know where that will leave us for money. Money can simply be described as a physical representation of the value of a person's labor. We've already seen factory workers go the way of the dodo. And we're on the verge of seeing the same thing happen with food service (there are completely automated fast-food restaurants in Asia already). And after that will come the smart vehicles, eliminating the need for truck drivers. After that, the only industry that will remain for the largest demographic is retail, and that won't be able to sustain itself for long after such a large percentage of the population is put out of work.

Meanwhile, automation will continue to evolve and become more complex, until only the most menial tasks remain for humans to do. We would reach a point where the value of labor (and consequently, money) will become nil. We're already seeing that process take place, in the form of stagnant wages while the price of goods continues to rise. Even slavery would be meaningless in any scenario where machines can do it better and cheaper than humans.

In such a situation, what would humanity's spirit of greed be able to do with itself?

You should read Asimovs novel; "Under the naked sky" which is set on a world where exactly this has happened. The mere construction of a whole mansion for the main character is so minimal that they will just deconstruct it as soon as he leaves.

[AngelLestat]

I read it vger, but I have not time to a long answer. Too busy this week.

Just few points:

You are taking all the bad examples (which some are not, also is good to have competitiveness, we will be dead without it) of humanity and relating all with aggression which in many cases has nothing no to do.

You are also ignoring all good effects of aggression.

Picking examples and ignoring others just to validate an idea is not the way to make science or progress.

it would be like "anti-vaxxers." And there isn't a lot of respect these days for people who opt out of scientific advancements; putting everyone else in danger in the process.

You can not compare, vaxxers really help the pacient, meanwhile "brain wash plus aggression remove" put you in a very weak spot against something who doesnt have it.

We're already listening to our instincts when we shouldn't

You really believe that we are so intelligent?

All the wonders that you see is thanks to culture, in other words: accumulation of achievements.

But take one person without parents who was raised by wolfs or chimps.

You will notice amost any difference on intelligence between the animals and that person.

If we live 30000 years ago, our brain, intelligence and body will be almost exactly as today. In fact in those times we have a lot of extra defences against diseases and we were stronger (or better adapted).

But in those times, just dig a hole to make a trap, is something out of our minds. Maybe an einstein of those times was the first to said "eureka" on that.

So the point is.. we are not so intelligent as you may think, no matter how aggresive or selfish some people is; bur there is something crear.. If we were more smart, we would not doing the things that we do with our planet.. Because if we know that the things we do are not so efficient as it can be plus the future problems that we get (or our childrens), then we would not do those things.

This is a good example in very good educate countries, were there is almost no aggression cases, they take care the enviroment, show how much money you have is frowned upon, etc.

So you need intelligence.. and we get that only with a good education. That is the missing key.