1.03?

[rkman]

It seems a bit arbitrary to have two updates in quick succession that fix some bugs and balance issues, introduce some new balance issues (break one of the spiffy new 1.0 features - reentry heat) - and then leave it at that.

Edited May 3, 2015 by rkman

[Temeter]

Is this one of those 'i'm too bad to deal with simple game mechanics, so i'm gonna call them broken and cry for a fix' threads?

[ImJake]

My guess is that if there is a 1.03, they'll take a little longer to release it so that don't cause anymore issues by it's release.

[stibbons]

I wouldn't be surprised if the 1.0.x series does continue over the next little while with further minor balance tweaks.

[Ippo]

40% is not a minor tweak.

[stibbons]

Changing one part is.

[Aanker]

No 33% drag increases please.

[Fel]

I wouldn't be surprised if the 1.0.x series does continue over the next little while with further minor balance tweaks.

Nor I... though if they keep adding stuff and having problems from adding it...

[Bill Phil]

No 33% drag increases please.

Ever thought they screwed up 1.0 and the original plan called for more drag? Or that they thought about it, and decided that more part nerfs would kill the already nerfed parts, so they upped the drag.

Seriously. Just

DEAL WITH IT

for once and stop whining.

[Frozen_Heart]

Is this one of those 'i'm too bad to deal with simple game mechanics, so i'm gonna call them broken and cry for a fix' threads?

Do memory leaks causing my game to crash due to the overheat bars fall under that heading? As that's why I'm waiting for 1.03.

The drag isn't perfect, could do with being part way between 1.02 and 1.0, but apart from that I'm now very happy with the state of the game... apart from the crashes all the time.

[Bill Phil]

Do memory leaks causing my game to crash due to the overheat bars fall under that heading? As that's why I'm waiting for 1.03.

The drag isn't perfect, could do with being part way between 1.02 and 1.0, but apart from that I'm now very happy with the state of the game... apart from the crashes all the time.

Do you really have to use the heat bars? I'm pretty sure they're optional...

If it screws up your game and is optional than don't do it.

[Temeter]

Do memory leaks causing my game to crash due to the overheat bars fall under that heading? As that's why I'm waiting for 1.03.

The drag isn't perfect, could do with being part way between 1.02 and 1.0, but apart from that I'm now very happy with the state of the game... apart from the crashes all the time.

I wouldn't know, OP doesn't actually explain his issues aside from a vague outline of his emotions.

[Aanker]

Ever thought they screwed up 1.0 and the original plan called for more drag? Or that they thought about it, and decided that more part nerfs would kill the already nerfed parts, so they upped the drag.

Seriously. Just

DEAL WITH IT

for once and stop whining.

Haha ok. I'm sure the problem goes away if I just fix my whiny self and deal with it. That's how games are improved people! Don't ever dare complain about changes, especially if they restrict you, because then you're just a soft newb who needs to deal with it and l2p.

This language belongs in a MOBA type forum, not in a a supposedly more sophisticated game discussion board.

[Kuu Lightwing]

If they are going to do more tweaks, I think it would be a good idea to get the experimental team to test it first. Amount of rants on reddit and this forum is off the scale already :/

Test reentry from different places, test jet engine planes (At least some of them should be able to fly faster than Mach 1, but slower than Mach 2 IMO), Test turbo-ramjet planes so that they don't go BBQ speed at sea level, but able to get fast at an altitude. Maybe add a turbojet engine to be a middle-ground between SR-71 engines and basic jets.

Oh, and fix F12 being aero overlay by default, because that does mess up with Steam screenshot.

[Bill Phil]

Haha ok. I'm sure the problem goes away if I just fix my whiny self and deal with it. That's how games are improved people! Don't ever dare complain about changes, especially if they restrict you, because then you're just a soft newb who needs to deal with it and l2p.

This language belongs in a MOBA type forum, not in a a supposedly more sophisticated game discussion board.

You're just saying " I don't like it." Yet, it's perfectly fine for others. Don't complain until you absolutely can't find a way around it. And I'm pretty sure most people here are smart enough to do so.

And dealing with it is important. If you want the game tailored to just you, go make your own. But this game is balanced for a majority. Not a minority.

[MalfunctionM1Ke]

The only thing that needs to be fixed are the sepatrons.

They need to come way earlier in the techtree and the heat they spread through your entire ship if their exhaust hits it is just mental

[Aanker]

You're just saying " I don't like it." Yet, it's perfectly fine for others. Don't complain until you absolutely can't find a way around it. And I'm pretty sure most people here are smart enough to do so.

And dealing with it is important. If you want the game tailored to just you, go make your own. But this game is balanced for a majority. Not a minority.

The same pro-1.0 majority that right now is leading the aero poll? Not saying that poll is necessarily representative of the situation, but come on, where do you pull these extraordinary claims from?

You are trying to single me out even though there aren't actually any grounds for it. My idea of an aero model accommodates both for creativity and the kind of minimalistic craft some people here like to build. You just want to restrict and limit. Sounds like you have a problem with people playing this game in a different way. Your behaviour somewhat seems a bit like that of a bully, actually.

Edited May 3, 2015 by Aanker

[Temeter]

The only thing that needs to be fixed are the sepatrons.

They need to come way earlier in the techtree and the heat they spread through your entire ship if their exhaust hits it is just mental

Pointing rockets at your craft isn't a great idea, those little booster are stronger than they look.

Just angle them outwards or reduce their fuel. 1 or 2 units of fuel is usually plenty for their job.

[Bill Phil]

The same pro-1.0 majority that right now is leading the aero poll? Not saying that poll is necessarily representative of the situation, but come on, where do you pull these extraordinary claims from?

You are trying to single me out even though there aren't actually any grounds for it. My idea of an aero model accommodates both for creativity and the kind of minimalistic craft some people here like to build. You just want to restrict and limit. Sounds like you have a problem with people playing this game in a different way. Your behaviour somewhat seems a bit like that of a bully, actually.

No. The majority that is spending more time playing the game and having a blast than complaining. Polls like that aren't really good data sources...

I'm not singling you out. This is a message to all people making claims that are just whining.

I don't want to restrict and limit, you're making an assumption there. I want people to stop complaining and solve problems by themselves. Which is what the game is all about.

So, please stop whining, and present a well supported case for changing aero. Or, if you would rather not do that, find a method that works. Engineer a plane that does what you want. Deal with the problems given to you and solve them.

[Aanker]

No. The majority that is spending more time playing the game and having a blast than complaining. Polls like that aren't really good data sources...

Of course they aren't, especially when the data is inconvenient. But you know, that wasn't the point. The point you just ignored was that you don't really know where the majority is - and so you can't really make any bold statements from a position of presumed superiority. It just doesn't work that way.

I'm not singling you out. This is a message to all people making claims that are just whining.

And who are you to dismiss long and elaborate arguments as just 'whining'? Mod, judge, executioner all in one? Lol.

I don't want to restrict and limit, you're making an assumption there. I want people to stop complaining and solve problems by themselves. Which is what the game is all about.

What the game is 'all about' is a point of contention, not a justification for dismissing people as whiners. I don't think the current aero model - either because of too much drag, because of a lack of adequately simulated parts or because of a combination thereof - is good for the game. I'm presenting arguments to that effect. I want to improve the game. That's not whining.

So, please stop whining, and present a well supported case for changing aero. Or, if you would rather not do that, find a method that works. Engineer a plane that does what you want. Deal with the problems given to you and solve them.

I did present several solutions for fixing aero. But my posts and threads were partly drowned by unconstructive, judgmental and presumptive replies like yours. Have a good day.

[Bill Phil]

Of course they aren't, especially when the data is inconvenient. But you know, that wasn't the point. The point you just ignored was that you don't really know where the majority is - and so you can't really make any bold statements from a position of presumed superiority. It just doesn't work that way.

There are thousands of people that play KSP. Many don't go on the forums, and many are. But only a few hundred, out of thousands, are really complaining, AFAIK.

And who are you to dismiss long and elaborate arguments as just 'whining'? Mod, judge, executioner all in one? Lol.

Let me quote you here:

No 33% drag increases please.

This is just a complaint. Just a whine. You can whine all you want, but please not here, where we need constructive criticism.

What the game is 'all about' is a point of contention, not a justification for dismissing people as whiners. I don't think the current aero model - either because of too much drag, because of a lack of adequately simulated parts or because of a combination thereof - is good for the game. I'm presenting arguments to that effect. I want to improve the game. That's not whining.

The game is about solving problems. If you don't like solving problems like these, go play a different game.

You are presenting the argument that "this aero is bad for KSP". You're not digging up evidence, or presenting evidence you have found. You are merely stating the argument.

I did present several solutions for fixing aero. But my posts and threads were partly drowned by unconstructive, judgmental and presumptive replies like yours. Have a good day.

Could you please show me one?

I'm not being judgmental, I never judged you for a second. I'm also not presuming anything. I saw a baseless complaint from a POV and responded constructively, telling to do something the game was designed to do, solve problems. How that same POV might view that response is a different story.

[Mipe]

Ever thought they screwed up 1.0 and the original plan called for more drag? Or that they thought about it, and decided that more part nerfs would kill the already nerfed parts, so they upped the drag.

Seriously. Just

DEAL WITH IT

for once and stop whining.

I, for one, am not willing to deal with memory leak of those heat bars.

[Bill Phil]

I, for one, am not willing to deal with memory leak of those heat bars.

Don't use them, then. That's a way to deal with it.

[Mipe]

And so he encourages developers to leave glaring errors in. Because we apparently can deal with it.

Edited May 3, 2015 by diomedea
cleaning....

[Aanker]

There are thousands of people that play KSP. Many don't go on the forums, and many are. But only a few hundred, out of thousands, are really complaining, AFAIK.

Let me quote you here:

This is just a complaint. Just a whine. You can whine all you want, but please not here, where we need constructive criticism.

The game is about solving problems. If you don't like solving problems like these, go play a different game.

You are presenting the argument that "this aero is bad for KSP". You're not digging up evidence, or presenting evidence you have found. You are merely stating the argument.

Could you please show me one?

I'm not being judgmental, I never judged you for a second. I'm also not presuming anything. I saw a baseless complaint from a POV and responded constructively, telling to do something the game was designed to do, solve problems. How that same POV might view that response is a different story.

I didn't post the below, for instance, for fear of being accused of spamming (see - accusational posts get us nowhere). So here you go. Check the edit part:

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/118758-Why-was-adding-aerodynamic-stability-removed?p=1896255&viewfull=1#post1896255

16 tiny wing parts = 550 m/s difference. I should make an argument flowchart at this point and just repost that. But hey, I'm just whining so it doesn't matter.