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Microbes In Jupiter's Clouds


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You must tell me of this time machine you have that appears to link to the 70's....

And you must remind me why I even bother trying to talk to rude, self-righteous, wannabe know-it-alls like you. I've forgotten, so go have fun by yourself in your narrow little world.

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Look, you made an unsupported assertion.

I could simply say you are wrong, with no explanation (Lajos' style early in this thread), or I could attempt to discuss the specifics of your claim, cite evidence, etc.. things appropriate to a debate.

The problem was... there were no specifics - so I asked for examples

You responded with no specifics, and no examples. It was just more another unsupported assertion, with new factually inaccurate stuff thrown in.

For the specific(ish) new assertions, those were addressed... but the core claim was still vague/undefined, lacking examples or support.

Now I could have tried asking again, hoping that the 3rd time was the charm, but I don't want to play these games.

If you wont bother to defend your statements, well, that gets a bit annoying.

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I know. I'm just saying that life can exist in a gas. Which means that it is possible to form in a gas if what's required is present. But extremely unlikely. Please notice the word "extremely".

However, you're ignoring something else here. Jupiter is not a gas giant. It's a fluid giant. Both a liquid and a gas. And we all know life can form in a liquid.

Yes, it is quite hot and there's a very high pressure. However, nothing is uniform. It's not all the same. Some spots are cooler, hotter, have a lower pressure, etc.

Granted, it is in no way likely, but it is a possibility, albeit a microscopic one.

Supercritical fluids at those temperatures and pressures are 100% lethal for any kind of organic molecule. If the organic chemistry can't happen down there, biochemistry can't either.

As I've said, microbes could exist in thin part of the amosphere on Jupiter if they had enough nutrients coming at them, and their reproductive rate is balanced with mortality caused by Jupiter's gravity, pulling stuff down into its hell. If that isn't happening, population can not exist.

The problem is that life can't form there. For self organizing structures to appear, you need very nice conditions for a loooong time. Also, they need an evolutionary mechanism (data storage and mutation source) to, by the hand of a "blind watchman", explore other niches of the environment.

If the environment is wild, uneven, unpredictable, furious, things can't proceed further than simple aminoacids, alcohols, and other simplest stuff. It's how chemistry works. It's not "because that's Earth and that's space so therefore other rules apply". Chemistry has the same laws everywhere.

Oh, just finding new types of extremophiles in more places where it was previously thought life couldn't exist. So nobody looked for it until recently. There's also the (highly disputed, possibly trashed) idea of critters with arsenic-based metabolisms, and more mundane things like the discovery that various more conventional lifeforms can still exist in space to some extent (like the bugs that survived a trip on the outside of the Shuttle, finding Earthly plankton living on the ISS windows, etc.).

1) Arsenic based biochemistry is disputed. Completely.

2) Plankton does not live on ISS windows.

3) Extremophiles are organisms that evolved to adapt to specific niches. Put them in another niche and they die. "Extremo-" means something else, not "godlike".

Now feel free to ignore the fact I just busted the foundations of your arguments and continue to build more wild ideas.

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