Soviet Program Album

[PB666]

Some nice pics for SC design.

https://papermine.com/booklet/soviet-space-era/?ref=N-SEES

[Javster]

Ooh nice pics, bookmarking for later

[DECQ]

The Soviet people are proud of their achievements in space,in Russia spat on them, in the Soviet Union (and a few years in the new Russia) was a lesson astronomy, in Russia today this lesson is not. In the USSR every child dreamed of becoming an cosmonaut, not elf 80 lvl. I Since childhood knew who Yury Gagarin, Neil Armstrong, Alexei Leonov, Tereshkova, Aldrin, now people in Russia do not know the date of Gagarin's flight, and say that the first on the moon were the Soviets.You may not care, but for me it's a tragedy.

Thinking out loud.

Good picture, thanks for the link.

[Nothalogh]

The Soviet people are proud of their achievements in space,in Russia spat on them, in the Soviet Union (and a few years in the new Russia) was a lesson astronomy, in Russia today this lesson is not. In the USSR every child dreamed of becoming an cosmonaut, not elf 80 lvl. I Since childhood knew who Yury Gagarin, Neil Armstrong, Alexei Leonov, Tereshkova, Aldrin, now people in Russia do not know the date of Gagarin's flight, and say that the first on the moon were the Soviets.You may not care, but for me it's a tragedy.

Thinking out loud.

Good picture, thanks for the link.

And here it is not much different, we have a congressman who asked NASA if their mars probe was going to land where Aldrin and Armstong planted the flag

[_Augustus_]

And here it is not much different, we have a congressman who asked NASA if their mars probe was going to land where Aldrin and Armstong planted the flag

It's true...

[PB666]

One has to wonder what the ISS would have looked like had it not been for MIR. I had my MIR moment in my last game, its really hard to anticipate your needs unless you play the game for a while, and I began to appreciate MIR.

[windows_x_seven]

... and say that the first on the moon were the Soviets.

They kinda were, since the first unmanned Moon orbits and landings were Soviet.

Still, the general lack of interest in space exploration is sad. We've reached so far only to find out that most people don't give a darn about how humanity's progress is doing. But frankly, what's even worse are the people that go out there spreading their conspiracy theories, saying that we didn't even accomplish the major achievements in spaceflight or that we didn't achieve spaceflight at all, without even researching about it.

As for the OP, the link is great.

[Nothalogh]

One has to wonder what the ISS would have looked like had it not been for MIR.

Probably more like Skylab, which would have been a good thing

[Bill Phil]

Probably more like Skylab, which would have been a good thing

We didn't have the capability to launch something in the size range.

What's sad is that super heavy launchers haven't been used since 1973...

[tater]

Nice link, thanks!

Here's a link to a cool blog with loads of old space-realted content from the era of the Space Race:

http://dreamsofspace.blogspot.com

Edited September 4, 2015 by tater

[Guest]

What's sad is that super heavy launchers haven't been used since 1973...

STS was flying up until 2011.

E: And Energia/Buran flew in '87/'88.

[Bill Phil]

STS was flying up until 2011.

E: And Energia/Buran flew in '87/'88.

STS' effective payload was only about 20 tonnes, heavy class, but no super heavy.

Energia wasn't used nearly as much as the Saturn V was. It was used to test launch Buran, and launch Polyus. And that's it.

[Guest]

STS' effective payload was only about 20 tonnes, heavy class, but no super heavy.

Energia wasn't used nearly as much as the Saturn V was. It was used to test launch Buran, and launch Polyus. And that's it.

STS and Buran were effectively "payload". Without the superfluous orbiter the payload of the engines, tanks, and boosters on either of those lifters would easily have been classified as "super-heavy".

E: And, besides that, Energia made two launches with payload, so you're off by some fifteen years.

Edited September 4, 2015 by regex

[Bill Phil]

STS and Buran were effectively "payload". Without the superfluous orbiter the payload of the engines, tanks, and boosters on either of those lifters would easily have been classified as "super-heavy".

It's not a "payload" if it's necessary for the launch.

Sure, Energia could be "super-heavy", but it never got past two flights, as far as I know.

[Guest]

It's not a "payload" if it's necessary for the launch.

Crying shame that the STS was "necessary" for the launch, that's like, what, 70 tons of dead weight every launch?

Sure, Energia could be "super-heavy", but it never got past two flights, as far as I know.

So what? The payload to LEO was fantastic, regardless of how many flights it made (at least one was successful) or how "American" it was.

[PB666]

They kinda were, since the first unmanned Moon orbits and landings were Soviet.

Still, the general lack of interest in space exploration is sad. We've reached so far only to find out that most people don't give a darn about how humanity's progress is doing. But frankly, what's even worse are the people that go out there spreading their conspiracy theories, saying that we didn't even accomplish the major achievements in spaceflight or that we didn't achieve spaceflight at all, without even researching about it.

As for the OP, the link is great.

j

Thanks, but credit reddit r/everythinScience

I tell people the sad truth is that we did once, and now we stumble to do something a fraction of the effort. Certainly the political beaurocratic establishment has not helped. One look at congress and sigh.

[Bill Phil]

Crying shame that the STS was "necessary" for the launch, that's like, what, 70 tons of dead weight every launch?

So what? The payload to LEO was fantastic, regardless of how many flights it made (at least one was successful) or how "American" it was.

It wasn't operational. It flew a couple test flights. Regarding the Orbiter's mass, it was in excess of 100 tonnes. A large waste of payload potential.

And this seems like it's going nowhere. How about we agree to disagree?

Edited September 4, 2015 by Bill Phil

[Guest]

It wasn't operational. It flew a couple test flights.

Way to brush off a success.

And this seems like it's going nowhere. How about we agree to disagree?

Uh, sure.

[Nothalogh]

The Energia core is still a magnificent piece of engineering, even if the politburo made them slap an STS clone on the side of it

[Guest]

The Energia core is still a magnificent piece of engineering, even if the politburo made them slap an STS clone on the side of it

Agreed. What's even more impressive, IMO, is the entire R-7 family, which has its roots at the beginning of manned space(!)flight and is still taking people to space. Edited September 4, 2015 by regex

[Bill Phil]

The Energia core is still a magnificent piece of engineering, even if the politburo made them slap an STS clone on the side of it

Yes it was. I'm not saying it wasn't.

[Nothalogh]

Agreed. What's even more impressive, IMO, is the entire R-7 family, which has its roots at the beginning of manned flight and is still taking people to space.

I remarked on that on twitter the other day to somebody, the old warhorse rides again

[PB666]

It wasn't operational. It flew a couple test flights. Regarding the Orbiter's mass, it was in excess of 100 tonnes. A large waste of payload potential.

And this seems like it's going nowhere. How about we agree to disagree?

Damn, that would be useful, there's your Mars launch system, all you need is a way to stop when you get there.

[Kryten]

Agreed. What's even more impressive, IMO, is the entire R-7 family, which has its roots at the beginning of manned space(!)flight and is still taking people to space.

Same for most LVs, to at least some extent. Atlas-V uses a derivative of the first hydrolox engine ever flown, Delta II uses a core design that actually predates the R-7, et.c. et.c.

[Bill Phil]

Agreed. What's even more impressive, IMO, is the entire R-7 family, which has its roots at the beginning of manned space(!)flight and is still taking people to space.

Yes. The R-7 was developed in the mid 50s, and it's decendents are still flying.

At least the Russians built a rocket and stuck with it. The US had Atlas and Delta, sure, but they weren't man rated...