Wormhole Gate

[GeneralVeers]

Ummmm.....wait a second. If gravity can travel through the gates, then the part of Earth's gravity that travelled through the wormhole would exit ABOVE the higher gate, not below it. Probably not a huge factor, because while you're above the lower gate, Earth is still pulling on you from below and to the sides of the gate.....

Ugh. Brain still hurting.

[problemecium]

If that were the case, it implies that the gates are both oriented the same way, in which case you too would come out going up, and thus gravity would still be slowing you down.

[prophet_01]

Assuming gravity doesn't pass through such a portal (how should I know anyway? :P) and you do that accelerated continouus jump thing, isn't this just a very fancy version of a gravity assist?

Correct me if I'm completely wrong hrre, but to me this just seems like you're just using the gravity the same way a probe does when doing a slingshot, just with portals. So you basically use the planet's energy by slightly moving it. The total energy however, should remain at the same level. Edited November 16, 2015 by prophet_01

[PB666]

[quote name='WedgeAntilles']This doesn't seem right. The gate isn't a teleporter; it simply creates a deformation in spacetime, which would require a fixed amount of energy to create and maintain. Such a gate shouldn't be aware of any matter passing across that deformation.

I'm a smart person (and also modest!), but this is actually making my brain hurt. The interaction between such a gate and gravity seems to introduce so many paradoxes that I'm starting to think wormhole gates are impossible.

(Now that you've got me thinking about it, though, a teleporter wouldn't cause this seeming paradox--because a teleporter would teleport kinetic and potential energy as well as mass. If you teleport an object that has more energy, the teleportation itself requires more energy)[/QUOTE]

Teleporters can only transport information +/- 1/2 spin
Wormholes as far as we know are nothing more than quantum entangled pairs, so again pretty much bits of energy at the most fundemental levels. For teleporters the energy will anyway flow, its just the state of flow is not dtermined until one quantum particle is resolved.

Theoretically the type of gravity that would travel through a wormhole is quantum gravity not classic gravity, and thus would be limited by planks time at the extreme (like big bang) example. In our mundane space time the flow of gravity would be rather limited, same is true with all particles.

I could imagine it like this, suppose it took enegy x to feed an electron through a wormhole, of course in doing this you are also feeding its wave function so potentially one photon also. Therefore 1 quantum particle maybe sqrt x. So a proton is made up of 3 quarks and 3 gluons maybe sqrt x^6 energy x^3 (assuming the proton is at 0'k, which is technically impossible because it could not enter a wormhole at that temperature). So then we add an electron to make a hydrogen atom, thats x4. Then a hydrogen molecule x12. a helium atom x28 and so on.

I m grossly oversimplifying things here because it has to do with quantum probabilites, but you cannot think of wormholes as gates for things that are probable on the macro scale, only things that are probable on the planks scale. If you could find a way to stretch that scale to things like Einstien bose condesates it still might be plausible, but here again some form of entanglement might be required.

[iliketrains0pwned]

I was working on a story which used something like a stargate. In the book, space time is a two-sided 4D plane. One side is heavily scaled up from the other (which was discovered through a theory about dark matter), and it can be ripped by creating a singularity. The idea is that an advanced civilization created a bridge that used this to their advantage. A massive 5 km ring (known as a gate) is positioned in orbit at the edge of a star system. In the center of each gate, a singularity is gravitationally stretched to form a long, open ended tunnel. Meeting at the halfway point in the scaled spacetime, both tunnels converge into a cylindrical station known as the Nexus. Inside the Nexus, both ends are connected together and held open from the outside by the station's pull. When a ship travels into a gate, it falls through the wormhole, passes through the Nexus, and is accelerated by a gravitational pull in order to match the velocity of the exit gate. What do you guys think about the idea? Edited November 16, 2015 by iliketrains0pwned

[problemecium]

It's neat, but why the part about the universe on the other side being bigger? Is it necessary for the portal to work, or is it just supposed to be like the Nether in Minecraft?

[GeneralVeers]

[quote name='parameciumkid']If that were the case, it implies that the gates are both oriented the same way, in which case you too would come out going up, and thus gravity would still be slowing you down.[/QUOTE]
More headaches incoming. :confused:

Stargate SG-1 always sidestepped this issue, because you never see anybody entering a stargate from the BACK side. Would have been funny for them to do a scene where O'Neil and Teal'c stick their arms into the gate from opposite sides, and on the other side you see two arms sticking out opposite sides of the same gate......(of course they had to rewrite the gate physics so that can't happen, in order to make the episode in Atlantis where a shuttle gets stuck halfway through an open gate)

You've got the top gate and the bottom gate. You're falling out the LOWER side of the top gate and into the TOP side of the bottom gate. The part of Earth's gravity that passes across where the bottom gate is, goes through the LOWER side of the bottom gate, meaning it would exit the TOP side of the top gate. And you're never above the top gate. Confused? Me too. Lol.

[quote name='PB666']Wormholes as far as we know are nothing more than quantum entangled pairs, so again pretty much bits of energy at the most fundemental levels.[/QUOTE]
I'm working on the assumption that a wormhole is a deformation of space, and as long as the deformation is flat in three dimensions, it shouldn't affect matter or energy passing through it.

[quote name='iliketrains0pwned']I was working on a story which used something like a stargate.....[/QUOTE]
Could be confusing, depending on your audience. A little technobabble is fun, but don't overdo it--and make sure the wormhole system in your story uses sufficient phlebotenum to make for fun reading. :)

[iliketrains0pwned]

[quote name='parameciumkid']It's neat, but why the part about the universe on the other side being bigger? Is it necessary for the portal to work, or is it just supposed to be like the Nether in Minecraft?[/QUOTE]

That is probably an easier way of explaining it. The reason that the scaled side is important is because it makes distances much shorter between points in our spacetime. If you went a foot there, you can go millions of kilometers here. In fact, we used that loophole as the basis of our FTL drives. The reason it is important for the Bridge, however, is that (even though it can only interact with ours through gravity) it is still a space with length, width, and depth. It's traversable just like normal space, which makes it possible for ships and space stations (like the Nexus) to exist there.

The reason that the Bridge is so important is that, even though it is FTL on our end, we are still bound by the speed of light in the scaled space. While one end of the bridge is in a system nearby us, the other is off somewhere in the Andromeda Galaxy. And, since it works by shortening the distance as a wormhole, the journey there takes only 2 minutes.

Huge fan of your jump drive mod BTW.

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[quote name='WedgeAntilles']More headaches incoming. :confused:
Could be confusing, depending on your audience. A little technobabble is fun, but don't overdo it--and make sure the wormhole system in your story uses sufficient phlebotenum to make for fun reading. :)[/QUOTE]

I had a couple ideas for it. Since it's basically a scaled up version of our 3 dimensions, I made a bit of terminology up. Our space is called the Upper Domain (or normal space), and the scaled space the Lower Domain (or scalespace). The FTL drive that we use is called the Binary Accelerated Scalespace System (B.A.S.S cannon), which projects a magnetic path in front of the ship to squish a block of matter into a singularity. Edited November 17, 2015 by iliketrains0pwned

[GeneralVeers]

[quote name='iliketrains0pwned']I had a couple ideas for it. Since it's basically a scaled up version of our 3 dimensions, I made a bit of terminology up. Our space is called the Upper Domain (or normal space), and the scaled space the Lower Domain (or scalespace). The FTL drive that we use is called the Binary Accelerated Scalespace System (B.A.S.E cannon), which projects a magnetic path in front of the ship to squish a block of matter into a singularity.[/QUOTE]
Be sure to have the ships' crews refer to a jump using this system as a "BASE jump"........ :D

[iliketrains0pwned]

[quote name='WedgeAntilles']Be sure to have the ships' crews refer to a jump using this system as a "BASE jump"........ :D[/QUOTE]

Even better yet, it's called a BASS Drop.:cool:

[GeneralVeers]

..........

Umm.

Ow.

I think I just sprained my frontal lobe......