ModZero Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Hm, so, have you considered Discourse? I don't mean "OMG change decision 6 days before pulling the trigger", I'm just occasionally involved in picking such things, and wondering if other people doing that found reasons to avoid it besides "it's not PHP+MySQL" (which is quite a big one in itself). I do like the new layout, by thee way, and if it's actually usable on phones, that'd be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekes Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 [quote name='stibbons']I don't have an RB thread. :) And was asking if there was a simpler way to do that for a large number of a posts, just in case. Was hoping for, say, a BB code export, but can make do with just saving the pages. Thanks.[/QUOTE] Well my problem is I have a 250 page thread with all my craft releases, descriptions, developments, on it. And i have a 390 page thread that got locked that has all my old craft time-capsuled away that I still go back to and download and update occasionally. If this goes away I lose all my old data because it's pretty much gone on my PC (or at least the old screenshots are, I started Zokesia before I got my new computer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPLRepo Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I tried a search and read most of this thread.. but a question I didn't see an answer for.. So the old blogs will disappear altogether? I rather like going over some of the old dev blogs and toher modders blogs. Is there any way to save them except if I take a local copy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen_Heart Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Are craft repositories still allowed like Cupcake's Dropship Dealership and RSUV? I'll be very upset to see it go. So much work lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCanary Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 The thing I don't understand is that the "role play" in Rocket Builders is almost never more than occasionally calling requests customers or a couple of sentences worth of back story. I've never seen it get argumentative and there's rarely even more than one person involved. Most of the mission reports/fan works section seems to be at least as role-playey as rocket builders, and those threads aren't deleted, in fact many become extremely popular. This seems a really wierd reaction to a barely existent problem, less "sledgehammer to crack a nut" and more "nuking the nut farm because eventually some of them might need cracking". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KasperVld Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 [quote name='JPLRepo']I tried a search and read most of this thread.. but a question I didn't see an answer for.. So the old blogs will disappear altogether? I rather like going over some of the old dev blogs and toher modders blogs. Is there any way to save them except if I take a local copy?[/QUOTE] Yes, they'll disappear. I guess the only way to keep them available to yourself is indeed to make a copy. [quote name='Frozen_Heart']Are craft repositories still allowed like Cupcake's Dropship Dealership and RSUV? I'll be very upset to see it go. So much work lost.[/QUOTE] Definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphasus Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Interestingly enough, I've seen a lot of conflict in the spacecraft exchange too, as RevanCorana and other replica builders will tell you. Trolls will log on and criticize everything. I think Columbia had his b-17 treated the same way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMS Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Good to see you dropping vBulletin. v5 of the software was a disaster from the outset and the parent company has been driven the brand into the ground. Management of v4 is not without its problems - especially given its legacy status and the fact that most modders have given up on the company. I think I would have preferred to see you go for XenForo, given the modding support that exists there, but if you're wanting an easy vanilla install (which you appear to adhere to), IPB is probably the right choice. Surprised that you're dropping blogs. IPB has that functionality. Have you considered the effect on self-serving threads? [quote name='BlueCanary']The thing I don't understand is that the "role play" in Rocket Builders is almost never more than occasionally calling requests customers or a couple of sentences worth of back story. I've never seen it get argumentative and there's rarely even more than one person involved. Most of the mission reports/fan works section seems to be at least as role-playey as rocket builders, and those threads aren't deleted, in fact many become extremely popular. This seems a really wierd reaction to a barely existent problem, less "sledgehammer to crack a nut" and more "nuking the nut farm because eventually some of them might need cracking".[/QUOTE] Pretty much. Sometimes administrators enforce rules for the sake of simplicity, not necessarily because it will improve their community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel l. Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 [quote name='KasperVld']Yes, they'll disappear. I guess the only way to keep them available to yourself is indeed to make a copy. Definitely.[/QUOTE] In that case i beg you to immediately save those old dev blogs as an archive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat2ch Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 [quote name='KasperVld']Rocket Builders is a place that actually breaks our community rules constantly, in particular the 'thou shallt not roleplay' rule. You're still welcome to offer the craft you make, or even take requests in the Spacecraft Exchange forum though, the only thing that will change is the 'company' part of it, with the employee/director/ceo roles and inter-company drama that comes with it.[/QUOTE] Uhm, I may be to new here, to know the answer to this question. But why not extend the rules to "you may roleplay, but only in the rocketbuilders forum and in a thread and it has to be marked as roleplay" instead of taking away that particular forum? I just started a thread there to keep pictures of my achievments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KasperVld Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 [quote name='Mat2ch']Uhm, I may be to new here, to know the answer to this question. But why not extend the rules to "you may roleplay, but only in the rocketbuilders forum and in a thread and it has to be marked as roleplay" instead of taking away that particular forum? I just started a thread there to keep pictures of my achievments...[/QUOTE] Because we've seen many times that it will was not contained to those areas, both in Rocket Builders and in the old roleplay forums from way back when. We're not on a witch hunt to destroy people's work here, but rather we're getting rid of an element of it (the roleplay) that has caused many issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat2ch Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 [quote name='Alshain']I can't tell you how many times I've seen it. "I wasn't breaking the [insert rule here], I was just in character!" Roleplay is a headache.[/QUOTE] Well, this is like "it wasn't me, my account was hacked". The correct answer is: Your account broke the rules, deal with it. But, I get it, I'll loose my thread. And the spacecraft exchange is not a place to put it up again. It's an exchange, I don't want that part, it is too much hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John FX Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 [quote name='KSK']I'll be blunt - I don't like the new look but then again I never did like this modern 'white space and flat tiles' aesthetic. Call me a crusty old gamer if you like. Hopefully the new forum software will have a decent search function, which would be one very good reason for migrating in my opinion, despite the other problems already noted on this thread. Regarding Rocket Builders. I never used it so can't really comment either way, but would it really be so hard to add it as an archived forum? It does seem very harsh to just delete it. And on a final, personal, note, I do not like the decision to merge Live from Mission Control into Fanworks and respectfully request that this decision be reversed. Having a discrete sub forum for video gives the other fan works room to be recognised - I fear that merging the forums will mean that those other works simply become lost under a pile of video threads.[/QUOTE] I also dislike the new look. Far too flat. Having said that, if the user gets a better experience feature wise I can`t complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAKE99 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 [quote name='KasperVld']We're not on a witch hunt to destroy people's work here, but rather we're getting rid of an element of it (the roleplay) that has caused many issues.[/QUOTE] Deleting the entire subforum would be destroying peoples work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift OTF Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I can understand if change needs to be made. The mods and admins have to do what the mods and admins have to do, particularly when it comes to the back end stuff which sucks away their time, and no-one wants them to suffer such a thankless task just for our amusement. A couple of questions though: 1) I really like the look of the current forum compared to the new one. The new look just seems so sterile and I think it will turn off a lot of new users from looking at it. Can the new forum be skinned so it looks more like the old one? 2) I didn't really use the RB forum much. However, can people still make a "my stuff" thread on the Spacecraft exchange provided it doesn't do any of the role-playing aspects? Can they still ask for help from other members for certain builds or styles of builds? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KasperVld Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 [quote name='Redshift OTF']I can understand if change needs to be made. The mods and admins have to do what the mods and admins have to do, particularly when it comes to the back end stuff which sucks away their time, and no-one wants them to suffer such a thankless task just for our amusement. A couple of questions though: 1) I really like the look of the current forum compared to the new one. The new look just seems so sterile and I think it will turn off a lot of new users from looking at it. Can the new forum be skinned so it looks more like the old one? 2) I didn't really use the RB forum much. However, can people still make a "my stuff" thread on the Spacecraft exchange provided it doesn't do any of the role-playing aspects? Can they still ask for help from other members for certain builds or styles of builds? Thanks.[/QUOTE] Reskinning is definitely something we can look into, but it's hard to please everyone. Plus having a new skin made is a sizeable investment in both time and money so that's something that we have to discuss. As for your second question the answer is definitely yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel l. Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 What people need to understand in terms of UI design (Im referring to complaints about the new look) is that of course a computer screen is divided into pixels, Those pixels are squares, the result is that anything that attempts to be anything other than square in general shape or solid color ends up looking like minecraft, look closely at your start button if your running windows 7, its pretty from a distance but up close all that beauty divides up into ugly little squares, whereas the new design look deliberately glorifies squares and solid colors so as to make this ugly pixel effect dissipate into nothing, because honestly it does look better on lower res screens and is also easier to design in that it doesnt require a professional artist to make a single icon or massive amounts of RAM to display those glossy buttons of old. not to mention that they took away from app developers time what they could have used to make an app that was far more productive and efficient compared to a glossy shell. Microsoft tried too hard with the gloss on windows vista, they wanted to highlight new features with a futuristic 3d look, but because they went too far with the look: those very features they had designed the look to highlight ended up being incomplete on the day vista shipped to consumers. Gloss does nothing more than slow down computers, take users attention away from the content itself leaving them all "Oooh, aaaaahhh, Preeetty!" not to mention that the look exacerbated the existing pixel issue as well as reduce the quality of products because of the amount of time and work required to make even the simplest icons. I hope that helps the old timers realize that the new look is better, (Besides actually looking pretty cool) and easier on their machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZooNamedGames Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I would be satisfied if the majority of old threads were archived, but I would like to see the KMC moved to the new spacecraft exchange. All I want to do is allow for it to be a place of a group craft archive, nothing RP and nothing hard to manage. Can the KMC get that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worir4 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Well, I better pack my bags and hope this goes smoothly. Good luck Kasper. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Guardian Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 [quote name='KasperVld']Note that [B]not all data will be transferred to the new forums[/B][/QUOTE] Hmm. In that case I will make a local backup of the contents of the only thread I've started so far. Thanks for the heads up. [quote name='KasperVld']and is scheduled to last between 30 and 40 hours[/QUOTE] Ah, so the KSP forums will be down the entire next weekend. Dang. Oh well, I'll live, and so will Kerbalkind. This does mean, however, that during that weekend it will be impossible to download mods from the forums, so I'll download the most recent version of every mod I use Thursday afternoon. Good luck [s]Bob[/s] everyone with the forum migration! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halban Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) When Live From Mission Control is merged, will my cinematics enthusiasts thread remain sticky? I also have to say that I'm not a big fan of the new look, it's as simple as it not meeting my tastes though. The basic design and wasted space make it feel less homely than this forum; though I'm glad to hear that you're looking into a getting a different skin. Edited November 23, 2015 by HatBat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAKE99 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 What's the "New look" thing I keep seeing being mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adsii1970 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Save the blog feature. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat2ch Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 [quote name='KasperVld']As for your second question the answer is definitely yes.[/QUOTE] This would be great! I'd totally start a new thread there :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 [quote name='Frozen_Heart']Are craft repositories still allowed like Cupcake's Dropship Dealership and RSUV? I'll be very upset to see it go. So much work lost.[/QUOTE] Ermagerd, R-SUV! That thing is in the rocket builders subforum! Can I perhaps beg some mod to move it to the exchange before you wipe out the repository where ALL of the ships I' ve released over the years are linked? Only abot 10% is in the OP, and some f the dicussions I had there were awesome.... I promise no RP'ing was involved ;) Rune. Othe than that, I trust your judgement it'll be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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