what is wrong with FAR

[Hunne]

Guys, I´m really fed up with FAR. Nothing "fancy" I build ever works and instantly either deviates oddly to the right (mostly) or more or less instantly breaks up the instant I try to steer when airborne. Only very basic designs seem to work but generate insane amounts of gee forces even when using the fine controls (caps lock). Lowering the various settings on control surfaces doesn´t help very much.

Also, no craft ever takes off properly, it always need to roll past the runway, some going > mach 1 and still appear to be glued to the runway.

Is it a conflict with another mod or am I doing something wrong?

[steve_v]

39 minutes ago, Hunne said:

what is wrong with FAR

Nothing, as far as I am aware.

47 minutes ago, Hunne said:

Nothing "fancy" I build ever works

Define "fancy". FAR makes craft that look like aircraft fly like aircraft... If yours doesn't look remotely like a plane it probably won't fly very well.

40 minutes ago, Hunne said:

Is it a conflict with another mod

Dunno, you didn't mention which other mods you are running.

Sounds to me like a: you have too little lift, or b: some other mod is messing with FAR.
For the former: Pics. For the latter: full mod list, repro steps and logs.

If you're willing to produce a proper bug report, you might try posting it over in the FAR thread. Ferram4 is pretty quick in squashing actual bugs, but you will have to provide sufficient information.

[Hunne]

fancy as in aircraft styles I´ve seen, are used today etc., they do look like they should fly but they frankly do not

 

as for mods I use quite a few, I´ll name a few I think which might be conflicting:

-deadly reentry

-fuel wings

-kerbal joint reinforcement

-modular flight integrator

-procedural dynamics

-procedural parts

 

the others are for additional parts for rockets etc. so I don´t assume they´ll play part in this

it´s not a bug that crashes the game, only my aircraft

 

as for too little lift: the one very basic design that works has enough lift (since it does fly pretty well once of the runway apart from also generating insane gee forces) but is also glued to said runway until I run over the last short grassy part before the landscape banks downwards

 

well, thx so far, I´ll check out the link to FAR you provided

[Streetwind]

14 minutes ago, Hunne said:

as for too little lift: the one very basic design that works has enough lift (since it does fly pretty well once of the runway apart from also generating insane gee forces) but is also glued to said runway until I run over the last short grassy part before the landscape banks downwards

That's usually not a lift issue, but one of misplaced landing gear. The rear wheels are supposed to be the fulcrum around which the tail pushes down to lift the nose up; but that only works if they are very close to the center of mass at liftoff. If they are in front of the CoM, your plane's tail will simply slam down onto the pavement upon loading the craft, and stay that way. If they are well behind your CoM, the tail won't ever come down at all while you are still in contact with the ground, and you'll simply drive off the end of the runway regardless of how fast you are going.

It looks like you may need to revisit your designs and tweak some mistakes like the one outlined above. They'll probably fly better afterwards.

[steve_v]

FWIW, the FAR craft repository may also offer some design inspiration.

As for mods, I'd be vaguely suspicious of fuel wings - mainly because it messes with wings (and I've never used it ) The others you mention: no conflicts that I know of, working fine here.

I'm inclined to agree with Streetwind in that it's probably a gear placement issue, but pics of the craft in question would help.

Edited February 5, 2016 by steve_v

[Matt77]

As for breaking up when manoeuvring, I'd suggest using a joystick.  I installed AFBW (advanced fly-by-wire) which made my joystick work correctly, not sure if this is still required.  It transformed the game when using aircraft.