The_Rocketeer Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 @Xavven yes indeed, but I can admit that without it actually undermining my point, which is not a luxury you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavven Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 1 minute ago, The_Rocketeer said: @Xavven yes indeed, but I can admit that without it actually undermining my point, which is not a luxury you have. I don't understand how you come to that conclusion. I disapprove of "I quit" posts. You disapprove of people who disagree with "I quit" posts. Both of us make that disapproval known. I mean, I was just fishing for sympathy for my position, after all. Why can't you be a grown up and give it to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swjr-swis Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Now now, can't we all just quit along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p1t1o Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, The_Rocketeer said: @p1t1o How is it bad? I mean really, if you disapprove, why the compulsion to say so? It's not productive, helpful or kind, so why can't you resist the compulsion to post that any more than the OP resists the compulsion to vent a little frustration? Hypocrisy everywhere... Straight back atcha son. And how is it bad? Really? How does this make you feel: [redacted] **edit** added the strikethrough because that looks WAY too confrontational, but wanted to make the point anyways. **edit 2** ah sod it, that was too much, redacted. Edited June 2, 2016 by p1t1o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavven Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 The main difference between the original post and the replies that followed are that one of them is a tantrum and the rest are calm discourse. I don't see a problem with the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainlord Mesomorph Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I don't think anyone is seeing the full scale of this issue: KSP is one of the (if not the single) most educational games is human history. We have the opportunity to teach an entire generation of Earthlings about rocketry and orbital mechanics. To put the spark of space exploration into the minds of millions of people. or, if the Devs release too many buggy builds, its toast. I don't think too much of an exaggeration to say that entire future of the human race could be at stake here. This might be one of those "fixed points" in time. We have to get this right. We have to save the most educational game is human history (in this case, from its developers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocketeer Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Xavven said: I don't understand how you come to that conclusion. I disapprove of "I quit" posts. You disapprove of people who disagree with "I quit" posts. Both of us make that disapproval known. I mean, I was just fishing for sympathy for my position, after all. Why can't you be a grown up and give it to me? I disapprove of hypocrisy. By emulating you, using your broken reasoning, I can show you how broken your reasoning is. My hypocritical argument fails, but so does yours. This is my desired outcome, hence my luxury. For an 'IT worker' you don't seem to have a very good grasp of logic. You weren't fishing for sympathy for your position, you were trying to scorn the OP's position, and you got called out. Edited June 2, 2016 by The_Rocketeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curveball Anders Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Brainlord Mesomorph said: I don't think anyone is seeing the full scale of this issue: KSP is one of the (if not the single) most educational games is human history. We have the opportunity to teach an entire generation of Earthlings about rocketry and orbital mechanics. To put the spark of space exploration into the minds of millions of people. Or it's just a game created to entertain people with a certain set of interests and without any plans of teaching anyone anything. If you're interested in teaching an entire generation of Earthlings about any of your favourite subjects I'd recommend you to contact your elected politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainlord Mesomorph Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Curveball Anders said: Or it's just a game created to entertain people with a certain set of interests and without any plans of teaching anyone anything. its called "emergence" some things become more than they were ever designed or expected to be, KSP might have been a get-rich-quick scheme from a guy who liked rockets, but now it might actually set the human race on its rightful path to the stars. Edited June 2, 2016 by Brainlord Mesomorph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curveball Anders Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Just now, Brainlord Mesomorph said: its called "emergence" some things become more than they were ever designed or expected to be, or it's called hyperbole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainlord Mesomorph Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I said it was an exaggeration (just not too much of one ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mars Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I wonder what the average age of a KSP player is? MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainlord Mesomorph Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Just now, Mike Mars said: I wonder what the average age of a KSP player is? MM start a poll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocketeer Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Just now, Mike Mars said: I wonder what the average age of a KSP player is? MM I wonder what the combined age of KSP players is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John FX Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 1 hour ago, p1t1o said: To be fair it was March 2015, but still. Its not like there isn't always an interesting topic or two to look over in the various fora, so unless he's throwing out his router and cancelling his ISP, I still dunno why these posts are a thing. Oops, my bad then. I thought it was (month, day) not (month, year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curveball Anders Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Mike Mars said: I wonder what the average age of a KSP player is? MM I'd guess relatively median, but with a unusually wide spread (as in 9-99) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NecroBones Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 This thread has quickly gone off the rails. Closing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyphos Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) After taking some time off to cool down from my KSP ragequit, I've spent some time thinking about why KSP appears to work well for some people and not others and I've come up with several hypothesis's: The user is in denial. KSP always works, even when it's not. The user has low expectations and is overwhelmed with euphoric joy when something actually works. Unity. building a half-assed shell around a rotten, un-maintainable core expecting a one-size-fits-all approach to actually work, instead of writing a custom-tailored game engine designed specifically for the tasks required. My money's on Unity. I'm not saying it's a bad system, but clearly, it's not working out. if I was on the dev team, I would have pulled Unity's plug 5 years ago. in fact, 5 years would have been plenty of time to write a custom game engine three times over, from scratch. Edited June 2, 2016 by Xyphos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaarst Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) Almost made me laugh while deep inside my gigantic mountain of salt. I'd settle on 2 (KSP being able to work properly has always been a miraculous event) or 3 (easier to blame Unity than to fix bugs, not directed to anyone). Or 4: Some random combination of KSP not working and Unity not helping, which means we'll have to wait for a Unity fix then a KSP fix. Edited June 2, 2016 by Gaarst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stibbons Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, Xyphos said: After taking some time off to cool down from my KSP ragequit I'm not sure you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyphos Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 Just now, stibbons said: I'm not sure you did. oh, I still refuse to play 1.1.2 - I've reverted back to 1.0.5 cuz I learned long ago to keep backups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrisonChisholm Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, stibbons said: I'm not sure you did. Or, to quote a famous swordsman, "I don't think that means what you think it means." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slam_Jones Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) 24 minutes ago, stibbons said: I'm not sure you did. "Now that I'm done raging, allow me to continue raging:" "I don't understand the development process of video games, nor can I comprehend the time and resources required to make a proper game engine. However, I, a random person off the internet, obviously am better qualified to direct the development of a video game than someone who does so professionally." Edited June 2, 2016 by Slam_Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3nt108 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Does that mean I can't have your stuff after all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosirrbro Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Nope, not unity. No-body was complaining about game breaking levels of crashing in the prerelease, 1.1.0 or 1.1.1 This is a 1.1.2 specific bug and seems to be developer related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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