I looks like Remote Guidence Unit can't help itself while control others.

[omelaw]

while it provides full control to other probes?

Spoiler

https://imgur.com/a/VJJkJ

 

Edited January 8, 2017 by omelaw

[LordFerret]

The RC-001S RGU has an internal antenna rated 5k, along with the external relay antenna rated 5m. That will cover some distance. However, the HECS only has its 5k internal antenna. Is that the issue you're pointing out here? More than likely, you need more antenna on that HECS probe.

[Aegolius13]

Not 100% sure what you're asking, but it looks like:

-Before the ship splits, you have no control from the Remote Guidance Unit because there's no comm signal back to Kerbin.  And Jeb cannot control the ship because he's not in a command pod, he's in a crew cabin.  That is all functioning as intended.  

-After the ship splits, the little probe is bring controlled by the big probe, via the Remote Guidance Unit.  The RGUs are supposed to be able to control other ships remotely.   Normally, you would use this when your mothership is out of comm range to Kerbin, but your pilot can use the RGU (or one of the bigger command pods) to direct the probe.

The thing that does not make sense is that, since Jeb is in a passenger cabin rather than a command pod, he cannot control his own ship.  (I.e., he can't push some buttons on the RGU to tell it what to do).  But for some reason, he can direct the RGU to direct the little probe to do stuff.  I just tried this myself (love that Orbits option in console), and I get the same result.  This seems like a bug, or at best a questionable mechanics choice by the devs.

 

Edited January 8, 2017 by Aegolius13

[Spricigo]

On 08/01/2017 at 3:38 AM, Aegolius13 said:

 This seems like a bug, or at best a questionable mechanics choice by the devs.

 

Agreed. at very least I consider a "guidance&commanding module" part allowing jeb issue commands from a crew cabin for .

Wonder if a MM config can "fix" it so if  craft "has probecore" & "has pilot" then "full control"

[samstarman5]

I don't see it as a bug or questionable.  As is shown in the images, Jeb is just sitting in a passenger cabin, with probably a laptop or tablet to control the RGU with.  As long as the RGU is being used for remote guidance, it is not controlling the craft.

I would ask if you have tried doing the same with a stabilizer or reaction wheel part attached to the passenger cabin in order to help it stay stable while the RGU is in remote mode.

Expecting one part to control more than one craft seems rather over the top as far as expectations go.

[Spricigo]

27 minutes ago, samstarman5 said:

Expecting one part to control more than one craft seems rather over the top as far as expectations go.

I think you misunderstood,  the expectation it's to either a)  be able to control  one craft in both situations or b) no craft in both situations. Just consistency,  nothing more.  Please,  check the images. 

It's like Jeb's laptop WiFi stop to work each time he is near enough to plug the cable connection and to make things worse cable connection don't work at all. 

[Aegolius13]

37 minutes ago, samstarman5 said:

I don't see it as a bug or questionable.  As is shown in the images, Jeb is just sitting in a passenger cabin, with probably a laptop or tablet to control the RGU with.  As long as the RGU is being used for remote guidance, it is not controlling the craft.

I would ask if you have tried doing the same with a stabilizer or reaction wheel part attached to the passenger cabin in order to help it stay stable while the RGU is in remote mode.

Expecting one part to control more than one craft seems rather over the top as far as expectations go.

I don't have a problem with a pilot in a passenger cabin being able to control a probe core.  As you say, it makes sense that Jeb could pull out his laptop and talk to the probe core.  On the other hand,  it also potentially makes sense that a pilot would need the controls of a command pod to talk to a probe.   Either mechanic seems potentially reasonable.   

The problem is that there is a lack of consistency.   As OP pointed out,  Jeb cannot currently control the probe core in his own ship using the laptop method.   But for some reason,  he can use that same probe core to remote control another craft.   That just doesn't make sense,  for either gameplay or realism/lore reasons.   

[samstarman5]

8 hours ago, Aegolius13 said:

I don't have a problem with a pilot in a passenger cabin being able to control a probe core.  As you say, it makes sense that Jeb could pull out his laptop and talk to the probe core.  On the other hand,  it also potentially makes sense that a pilot would need the controls of a command pod to talk to a probe.   Either mechanic seems potentially reasonable.   

The problem is that there is a lack of consistency.   As OP pointed out,  Jeb cannot currently control the probe core in his own ship using the laptop method.   But for some reason,  he can use that same probe core to remote control another craft.   That just doesn't make sense,  for either gameplay or realism/lore reasons.   

What does he have on the crew cabin after the other stage is separated to control?  I see a fuel tank, an RTG, a fuel cell, and a high-gain antenna.  Other than what SAS control the RGU offers, there are no control surfaces on the crew cabin.  No RCS, no engines, and no separate reaction wheels.  It's like controlling a wagon with no wheels and a couple of car batteries while sitting inside it.  That probe core you are saying he can't control is the Remote Guidance Unit, which Jeb is using in order to remotely control the probe flying off on its own.

You want to bring up realism and I am pointing out the lack of anything to actually control other than transferring fuel to the fuel cell, and electricity between all the electrical parts, as well as sending science to the KSC.  Please tell me what else that crew cabin is supposed to be able to do on its own.

[Spricigo]

3 minutes ago, samstarman5 said:

What does he have on the crew cabin after the other stage is separated to control?  

No one said he is supposed to control the crew cabin after the separation.  Actually no one said he is supposed to control the crew cabin at all. 

10 minutes ago, samstarman5 said:

That probe core you are saying he can't control is the Remote Guidance Unit, which Jeb is using in order to remotely control the probe flying off on its own. 

No,  the RGU it's just relaying Jeb's commands for the HECS wich is the piece processing the commands for the probe.   But if the HECS it's on Jeb's on craft it suddenly stops to be able to recieve/process the same commands. 

 

 

[Aegolius13]

8 hours ago, samstarman5 said:

What does he have on the crew cabin after the other stage is separated to control?  I see a fuel tank, an RTG, a fuel cell, and a high-gain antenna.  Other than what SAS control the RGU offers, there are no control surfaces on the crew cabin.  No RCS, no engines, and no separate reaction wheels.  It's like controlling a wagon with no wheels and a couple of car batteries while sitting inside it.  That probe core you are saying he can't control is the Remote Guidance Unit, which Jeb is using in order to remotely control the probe flying off on its own.

You want to bring up realism and I am pointing out the lack of anything to actually control other than transferring fuel to the fuel cell, and electricity between all the electrical parts, as well as sending science to the KSC.  Please tell me what else that crew cabin is supposed to be able to do on its own.

The reaction wheel in the big ship could at least turn that ship, if it were controllable... the issue is that according to the little icons in the upper left corner,  there is no control whatsoever.   

As for which ship the RGU is controlling,  it only controls the little for as long as the little ship is selected.  Once you switch back to the big ship, the RGU does not remember that it used to control another ship.