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I had 2 instances of disappearing crew in the last 5 days

The first I suspect stage recovery is responsible

Description of case:

A tug and tourist pod
In tug val and extra pilot
In pod 1 mun landing 2 mun fly bay and pilot or engineer (don’t remember)

the tug was on a return to kerbin whit atmospheric breaking planed
On Y2D64H5 they are all in there(27/1)
i probably recovered a tourist pod in the middle.
On Y2D65H4 no crew on board (28/1 ~)

val is in KSC the rest are missing.

I suspect a reentry and recovery of a tourist pod whit 2 tourists (visit station) and 2 pilots (rotating crew) is the reason for the missing crew on the mun tourist tug

I did 1 attempt to recreate the problem but the crew was still in the tug after the recovery
I will try a 2ed attempt in the near futher

Description of 2ed case: (1/2)

The 2ed instance of disappearing crew is more problematic

A station in orbit under construction whit 1 engineer

I lunched a probe whit MK
first lunch has an error in parameters. I reverted
2ed lunch had all stages removed on revert and I only noticed it at lunch. I reverted
3ed lunch stages were fixes and lunch successful

Upon rendezvous whit station I QS.
moved to station, set dock port-control from her and MJ point to target.
back to probe. Control from dock port and MJ-autodock.
AFK.
on return I see the prob floating whit 0 monoprop.
load QS and manual dock.

No crew in low right corner.

I can see the engineer in map view in ship data and in tracing center in ship data.

But no crew in ship view

Reloading the save after the docking and closing the game and returning did not help.
I have no pic of the  engineer but I can see him listed in the ship data

Did any one have this problem and know the source?

I did not think of saving the logs after exiting to try a start over so all data in the logs is lost

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