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What do you think about Space Shuttles both the US ones and the unflown Soviets one


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23 hours ago, Nibb31 said:

Focusing on the LEO instead of going back to the Moon was a bad idea.

NASA didn't have much choice in the matter.  Congress pretty definitely killed the lunar landing program in the '65-'67 budget cuts.  (Though NASA kept hoping and planning on the spice money flowing again until well into 69/70.)  By the time we actually landed on the moon, the program was running on fumes and force of habit.
 

23 hours ago, Nibb31 said:

The whole concept was flawed from the start. NASA did the best they could with what they were given.


Quite the opposite - the Shuttle was almost entirely NASA's idea in the first place.  There was a strong contingent at NASA that believed in the Von Braun Vision - Shuttle, Station, Mars.  This contingent viewed capsules and the moon as diversions from the Real Goals.  Seriously, Shuttle studies were going on in parallel with Apollo - the contracts for the final round of studies (the one that produced essentially the Shuttle we got) were signed on July 18, 1969.  (Yes, while Apollo 11 was in transit to the moon.)

When asked to produce a plan for post-Apollo, despite Apollo Applications having already been severely trimmed and the Saturn V essentially cancelled...  NASA proposed a large expensive plan that included the Shuttle among other things - and when the dust settled, Shuttle was the only thing to survive the budgetary axe.

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