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[0111narwhalz]

2 hours ago, steve_v said:

Mainly because, for practical purposes, there are no viruses that run on GNU/Linux.

Nothing that can't be cleared by a quick reboot, anyway—unless you're being a dingus and running your browser in root.

[Green Baron]

... and do not install any stuff with root kits like google sandboxes etc.

[steve_v]

2 hours ago, 0111narwhalz said:

unless you're being a dingus and running your browser in root.

I will admit, that level of idiocy usually doesn't even occur to me. You can of course break anything if you try hard enough.
That said, I wouldn't actually rate web-browser-as-root that high a risk, in the grand scheme of things. Modern browsers sandbox web content... at least ones worth using do. Still a pretty dumb thing to do though.
IME, the quickest way to get owned on a *nix box is running a poorly secured ssh, web/SQL or remote access server... And the number one way to end up there is following random blogs rather than reading the manuals.

1 minute ago, Green Baron said:

google

'nuff said.

User-installed rootkits can generally be avoided simply by using the distro repositories. Maintainers matter, something that commercial app-stores have yet to understand.

Edited August 31, 2018 by steve_v

[YNM]

5 hours ago, steve_v said:

An 8GB USB drive is going to cost you $5.

I get free windows from the college.

5 hours ago, steve_v said:

Frankly, I'm beginning to suspect that your idea of "low-level" is anything without a click-and-drool GUI.

That was the man's choice, not me.

Obviously you can't do proper spreadsheet on linux...

5 hours ago, steve_v said:

Mainly because, for practical purposes, there are no viruses that run on GNU/Linux.

Any CAD program that you know runs on linux ?

 

Again, each side has their plus and minuses - I'm not compelled to switch from what I do. But I do want to have a hold on both, just because.

[Green Baron]

18 minutes ago, YNM said:

Obviously you can't do proper spreadsheet on linux...

Sure. Enumerating them would lead too far, but libreoffice has a spreadsheet component calc.

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Any CAD program that you know runs on linux ?

Lots.

FreeCAD, LibreCAD, KediCAD, BRL-CAD and DraftSight, ... (copied from elsewhere, unchecked since i don't design or construct computer aided)

 

I must say i don't use either except for some basics in libreoffice calc, and I have no comparison to the numerous other existing spreadsheet programs. But these things are actually used.

 

Edit: i read people use Blender for professional CAD as well ...

Edited August 31, 2018 by Green Baron

[YNM]

1 hour ago, Green Baron said:

...these things are actually used.

What about for these things ?

WMS

ETABS

LPILE

That's the bit I don't know.

Edited August 31, 2018 by YNM

[Green Baron]

I have no idea.

On Linux, it makes absolute sense to use the tools that are in the repositories of the flavour you use and give a wide berth to proprietary systems. It should become an autonomous immune reaction to shy away from software that costs money to use, if there is not an inevitable reason. For a private person there usually is none.

 

 

Edited August 31, 2018 by Green Baron

[steve_v]

27 minutes ago, YNM said:

I get free windows from the college.

If you're getting a copy of windows, it's got to come on something. Either that's a DVD (and you don't have an optical drive, right?) or a USB drive you could wipe and use to install any OS you please.
 

25 minutes ago, YNM said:

Obviously you can't do proper spreadsheet on linux...

LibreOffice does spreadsheet just fine. So does Calligra Sheets, so does Gnumeric.There are may others. My preference is the first, for it's superior format compatibility.
I don't actually use spreadsheets much, if I'm working with large numeric data sets I'll use a specialised application such as QTIPlot.

 

20 minutes ago, YNM said:

Any CAD program that you know runs on linux ?

Sure. I run QCAD for 2D stuff & BricsCAD when I need bigger guns. Eagle PCB gets a bunch of use too, though I'm trying to transition to KiCAD for the electronics stuff, since autodesk bought eagle and I refuse to pay a subscription fee for something I bought outright.
There are also Draftsight, VariCAD & FreeCAD. The latter is totally free and coming along nicely, but it's still a little unstable. Should be a worthy (and totally free) contender soon.

[YNM]

2 minutes ago, Green Baron said:

It should become an autonomous immune reaction to shy away from software that costs money to use, if there is not an inevitable reason.

I'm in college, these stuff are free (or at least we have free copies) 

 

So yeah. That's why I'd still like to stick to Windows but I also want to have Linux.

[steve_v]

6 minutes ago, Green Baron said:

It should become an autonomous immune reaction to shy away from software that costs money to use, if there is not an inevitable reason.

Indeed. However there are reasons: Primarily CAD until FreeCAD is properly usable.

17 minutes ago, YNM said:

What about for these things ?

If you have specialised needs you have specialised needs... And those applications you mention are very specialised. Most home users don't need to simulate lateral loads on structural piles.

Edited August 31, 2018 by steve_v

[Green Baron]

I read Blender is used in professional CAD environments as well.

 

And ... of course ... how stupid from my side ... ksp and factorio are excempt from my generalization ...

*phew*

[steve_v]

3 minutes ago, YNM said:

these stuff are free

Free beer is not free speech. I prefer the latter where available.

[Green Baron]

3 minutes ago, YNM said:

So yeah. That's why I'd still like to stick to Windows but I also want to have Linux.

Hehe, sooner or later you will be drawn to the light side :-)

[YNM]

3 minutes ago, steve_v said:

I run QCAD for 2D stuff & BricsCAD when I need bigger guns. Eagle PCB gets a bunch of use too, though I'm trying to transition to KiCAD for the electronics stuff, since autodesk bought eagle and I refuse to pay a subscription fee for something I bought outright.

 

2 minutes ago, steve_v said:

If you have specialised needs you have specialised needs... And those applications you mention are very specialised.

That's where my life has taken me to.

But yeah, I'm sure Linux is a lot friendlier to the 'electric' community. Not so sure about that to the 'civil'ians 

2 minutes ago, steve_v said:

Free beer is not free speech. I prefer the latter where available.

We're the ones dictating anyway.

[steve_v]

4 minutes ago, YNM said:

I'm sure Linux is a lot friendlier to the 'electric' community.

I suspect there's more crossover between electronics nerds and programming nerds. How much free stuff is available for GNU/Linux is directly proportional to how many GNU/Linux users want to help write it.

[YNM]

37 minutes ago, steve_v said:

I suspect there's more crossover between electronics nerds and programming nerds. 

Well, IT is built on electronics, and electronics is built on electrics...

38 minutes ago, steve_v said:

How much free stuff is available for GNU/Linux is directly proportional to how many GNU/Linux users want to help write it.

We do scripting on those programs I mentioned, but it's extremely high-level and non-logic-purposed.