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[AAR] The Grand Tour - Voyage To The Planets

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czokletmuss

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Dun-dun-dun! No but really, BERTY simply can't die because he's a key plot figure

Ah, you are referring to a Plot Armor:

Just by being the main character, the laws of the world seem to bend around the character in a more than figurative way. For some reason (and not even an explicit ability), just being the main character or on his team protects you from death, serious wounds, and generally any sort of harm until dramatically appropriate.

This is a very common trope - alas, there also exists equally powerful trope named Anyone Can Die... ;)

So, did Jeb commit murder to save the mission? :0.0: At this point I'd say they've both been pushed beyond sanity.

So someone noticed that everything what Jeb said about murder as a tool to achieve one's goals can be used to describe his own behavior. Good observation :)

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So someone noticed that everything what Jeb said about murder as a tool to achieve one's goals can be used to describe his own behavior. Good observation :)

I was actually chuckling throughout their exchange because I felt like I was re-reading the thread again! It's simply a point of view. If BERTY was "alive" then Jeb killed him. I still have doubts as to whether any machine could in fact be sentient and alive (even with sufficiently advanced technology), but that's a different conversation. :)

And speaking of TVTropes, I think this one applies: Dwindling Party

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Whatever you like, really.

As to your question: a lot of people have explored some of the unfortunate (but entirely, coldly, ruthlessly logical) implications of the Three Laws (Extended), and come to the conclusion that humanity would indeed be "safer" if deprived of freedom of choice, freedom of action, even freedom of will (up to and including keeping us all in pods, perpetually dreaming, ala the Matrix). But then you start getting into sticky/slippery philosophical matters like the definition of "harm", and whether that is ultimately more "harmful", to more people (and/or the whole species) than allowing us to continue as we are.

Should we keep our children strapped to a bed, in an induced coma with an IV drip, for their entire life? To keep them safe, and/or others safe from them? Should we then strap ourselves into our own beds and go to sleep, leaving our machines to tend to us?

I come down on the side of freedom, but I'm a flawed and imperfect being. I admit that I am probably not worthy or qualified to make that choice for others, and I'm glad of that - I don't want that responsibility. I'm much happier only being responsible for myself.

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Could it all have been a terrible dream for Jeb? Did the events of the last 39 chapters only happen in Bob's head while suffering the effects of being on Eve? Indeed is ths just a very clever ploy Czokletmuss to give us extra chapters and keep this enjoyable story going?

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czokletmuss

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Personally I'd vote for the Grand Tour, but either one would be great!
Grand tour, purely because I don't read the other story (not my type of story, sorry!)
I would like the CK2 one :P

Also this one though

Well, it's about time for another update to the space race but I also really want to know how the Grand Tour proceeds...

I'd say do what you like more :)

Thanks for sharing your opinions, I made a decision and the next one will be the Grand Tour chapter.

Whatever you like, really.

As to your question: a lot of people have explored some of the unfortunate (but entirely, coldly, ruthlessly logical) implications of the Three Laws (Extended), and come to the conclusion that humanity would indeed be "safer" if deprived of freedom of choice, freedom of action, even freedom of will (up to and including keeping us all in pods, perpetually dreaming, ala the Matrix). But then you start getting into sticky/slippery philosophical matters like the definition of "harm", and whether that is ultimately more "harmful", to more people (and/or the whole species) than allowing us to continue as we are.

Should we keep our children strapped to a bed, in an induced coma with an IV drip, for their entire life? To keep them safe, and/or others safe from them? Should we then strap ourselves into our own beds and go to sleep, leaving our machines to tend to us?

I come down on the side of freedom, but I'm a flawed and imperfect being. I admit that I am probably not worthy or qualified to make that choice for others, and I'm glad of that - I don't want that responsibility. I'm much happier only being responsible for myself.

What is funny is that the Three Laws are based on utilitarianism, which is probably the most widespread philosophy in the West IRL and is more or less the basis for liberal democracy and the welfare state. Most of us live in the world built on utilitarianism and see no problem with it - but it takes only a little bit of logical thinking (not necesarrily AI or robots) to see that when taken to its extreme this philosophy can be quite, well, extreme and ruthless.

Could it all have been a terrible dream for Jeb? Did the events of the last 39 chapters only happen in Bob's head while suffering the effects of being on Eve? Indeed is ths just a very clever ploy Czokletmuss to give us extra chapters and keep this enjoyable story going?

All Just A Dream is quite lame trope IMHO. But who knows what the truth is? :P

LOL! This is hilarious :)

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Those last few chapters, wow. How long have you been planing that?

I have to say, tallying up the ideas presented by Jeb and BERTY, I agree with BERTY.

But not in full, BERTY's lack of compassion ruins it.

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Those last few chapters, wow. How long have you been planing that?

For a long time :) That's one of the greatest moments when you are writing a story - the moment when a story arc reaches its climax:

On the other hand, this is not a book - it's AAR. Which means sometimes the game is ruining all my plans but at the same time it creates situations which force me to come up with new ideas, which is a very good thing.

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The new chapter of my CK2 AAR is released and as it turns out, I'll have a lot of work in the next week. There won't be any ETA for a Grand Tour chapter, but don't expect it to be released before Friday.

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What is funny is that the Three Laws are based on utilitarianism, which is probably the most widespread philosophy in the West IRL and is more or less the basis for liberal democracy and the welfare state. Most of us live in the world built on utilitarianism and see no problem with it - but it takes only a little bit of logical thinking (not necesarrily AI or robots) to see that when taken to its extreme this philosophy can be quite, well, extreme and ruthless.

Anything taken to an extreme is usually bad. Logic. Emotion. Heck, you can even poison yourself by drinking too much water. Some of the best literature, though, comes out of the idea of "What if we took ______ to the extreme?". Gives you a reason to temper your philosophy.

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