No dry lakes on Duna for spaceplanes.

[pa1983]

Well when I started playing KSP and bought 0.18 I landed on Duna one week after I built my first spaceplane that could get there. I pretty quickly figured out that efficient landing is horizontal and the only way to realy do it was on the dry lakes. Was hard enough back then to hit those dry lakes while learning to fly. Now in 0.21 they have been removed due to the new procedural terrain system.

Well even with that system in mind it should be possible to get the ground less bumpy on the former lakes?

Its dam impossible to land a spaceplane there now if its not VTOL or small as well a Cessna.

I was told I could parachute the craft down. Yea, low density air as it is and a 500 parachutes later. Plus the fact that they cut the second you touch the ground so they are no good as drought chutes for breaking either and there have been many threads about the parachutes to so I know a lot of people would like a fix for that to but it seems ignored to sense well spaceplanes are a minority so its not that important sens a lot of people dont even understand the problem.

First they removed the possibility to have the chutes open for spaceplanes on the ground to stop easier and other contraptions now we cant land on what once where reasonably flat lakes probably, not to say they where perfectly flat, you could still find bumps that could smash a craft easily, but still you had a good chance of landing with some practice.

It seems to me that spaceplanes takes an ever bigger back seats to rocket, well rockets are fun but so are spaceplanes but when did spaceplanes get a new part? We are still stuck with a few basic wing parts and not even a big square wing can be given to reduce part count?

No this is frustrating.

Edited July 27, 2013 by pa1983

[dlmarti]

I will be completely honest here...

When I started playing I took a look at the parts for the planes, and just said.. pass....

Making a wing by tiling together a bunch of parts that clearly were never designed to go together, is not my idea of fun.

I will wait until they get more/better parts.

[Themohawkninja]

At least some dry river beds would be nice, I quite agree.

[bsalis]

I don't think many people were landing very large spaceplanes on Duna on landing gear.

I have landed and returned four different models of spaceplane on Duna, and only one was landed on wheels. The rest were tailsitters...

[NoMrBond]

I will be completely honest here...

When I started playing I took a look at the parts for the planes, and just said.. pass....

Making a wing by tiling together a bunch of parts that clearly were never designed to go together, is not my idea of fun.

I will wait until they get more/better parts.

Just grab the PWing mod, and make whatever wing size/shape you want as one customisable procedural piece.

[pa1983]

I don't think many people were landing very large spaceplanes on Duna on landing gear.

I have landed and returned four different models of spaceplane on Duna, and only one was landed on wheels. The rest were tailsitters...

I did it all the time. 95% off my missions are spaceplanes to duna. I built a howle base one duna using nothing but spaceplanes.

Now I dont know why I should even play ksp any more. When I saw the devs preview of the new terrain and that it was at least going to be limited to the mun I didnt see a problem. But they dident limit it to the mun. Why ruin good landing sites on one of the few planets whit atmosphere fit for spaceplanes etc?

Also the low altitude the old lakes offered was needed to land spaceplanes at low speeds sense the athmosphere was ticker.