Kerbinauts will not want to be strapped in their seats for a year or two. Please ...

[Gus]

It bothers me when I see landers in the Jool system whose only pressurized space is the capsule/pod. Do you really expect anyone, even a kerbal, to live in that tiny capsule with 2 other smelly kerbins for over a year?

Please give them some room to move around a bit.

I've done some calculations.

There are 837 cubic meters of pressurized space on the ISS.

For the crew of 6, that's 837/6 ~= 140 cubic meters per human.

If kerbals are half the size of humans then they're 1/8th the volume.

So they would require 140/8 = 17.5 cubic meter per kerbal to have the "same" living space.

A hitchhicker container is about 2.5m tall and 2.5m wide, so it's area is 3.14 x 1.25^2 x 2.5 = 12.3 cubic meters.

So kerbals need about 1.5 hitchhiker container's each to be on par with the ISS crew.

Your kerbinauts will thank you.

[Tw1]

2 other smelly kerbins for over a year?

This is my favorite part.

Reminds me of my first Dres mission. The two who weren't Jeb were really screaming when they worked out I'd take 200 days or so to get there. They were in a 1_2 capsule.

[Geschosskopf]

I've been stuffed in your pocket for last hundred days

When I don't get my bath I take it out on the slaves

--------------"Space Lord" by Monster Magnet

[Paul Kingtiger]

Mir was quite a bit smaller than the ISS but some Cosmonauts clocked over a year there. But yes, an Apollo sized pod would be bad for all sorts of reasons.

I include larger facilities on my longer range craft.

[MalfunctionM1Ke]

Nice Idea Gus,

but there is one mayor flaw in your theory.

Kerbals have evolved in a very different way than humans.

Because there are no femal Kerbals, i would prosume that they have no gender at all and reproduce themselve by mitosis.

If you keep that in mind, then you will understand that they have no problem with a smelly Kerbal next to them, because it is more or less the same stench than they would produce.

[DChurchill]

I always send a Hitchhiker when leaving the Kerbin system. One Hitchhiker per Mk1-2.

[Guest]

As a side benefit of their being green, Kerbals remain minty fresh throughout the duration of their lives. Unfortunately, their food tends to smell much like a yeti's armpits.

[DChurchill]

Because there are no femal Kerbals, i would prosume that they have no gender at all and reproduce themselve by mitosis.

That's where Bill and Bob came from. Jeb went up alone and came back with them.

[Skorpychan]

They don't WANT to?

Tough snacks. I don't have the fuel budget to haul that much mass around! They can stay strapped in, happily photosynthesising, until I set them on the ground and they can put roots down.

[bogpad]

I don't think you can compare landers in the jool system with stationary spaceplatforms like the ISS, no? Sure there is less room in a vehicle that is meant to fly to other planets than in some base orbiting the homeworld. So I guess one hitchhiker for 2 kerbals should be more than adequate!

[Loerelau]

Kerbals are not breathing anyway, maybe they are not able to smell either (Don't have a nose...). As long as you are not in the same capsule as your mother in law!

[mellojoe]

My rule of thumb is half capacity.

On long missions, like my space station, I try to keep one open seat for every occupied seat. So, my max crew is always half of the theoretical max space. Currently, I have room for 26 Kerbals on my station. I have 12 living there. Added to tunnel ways and other non-seat areas, I feel like it gives a nice balance of useable space per Kerbal.

My long-term station on Eve was the same. Each habitat pod was two hitchiker cans (8 seats) and I kept it to 4 max Kerbals per pod. Some of them held fewer. This gave them plenty of living space.

[Pixel of Life]

The most disgusting thing about such a small space would be the fact that you're not actually breathing clean air - you are basically breathing each other!

[bogpad]

The most disgusting thing about such a small space would be the fact that you're not actually breathing clean air - you are basically breathing each other!

you mean like knowing that every drop of water you drink most likely was at some point in history already pee?

[Jodo42]

A kerbin day is 6 hours, meaning the ~2 Kerbin year (106 days) time to reach Joolian orbit is about 1272 hours. A trip I just now planned puts me at a slightly higher 1582 hours. Compare this to the longest stay on the ISS, 215 earth days or 5160 hours, and you'll find the time to reach Jool is about a 3rd of that. Which is why I feel 1 hitchhiker per kerbal is enough living space, even on lengthy missions. Food, water, and other storage, on the other hand...

[Seret]

Do you really expect anyone, even a kerbal, to live in that tiny capsule with 2 other smelly kerbins for over a year?

Yes, they love it.

[DChurchill]

you mean like knowing that every drop of water you drink most likely was at some point in history already pee?

It's best not to ponder such things.

[TheSaint]

I spent six years in the U.S. Navy on submarines. Just for fun I calculated out the approximate volume of the living and control spaces (including the torpedo room and aux machinery spaces, but not the engineroom or free-flood areas) on a Los Angeles-class submarine and divided it by the average number of crew, and it came out to roughly 20 cubic meters per person. That includes all of the storage space for food, oxygen generation, CO2 removal, and freshwater storage as well. If I go by the 1/8 approximation for Kerbals, that comes out to 2.5 cubic meters per Kerbal, which seems ridiculously small to me (that's like a broom closet). However, 1/3 of a Hitchhiker (about 4 cubic meters) doesn't seem unreasonable at all by comparison. If you add the volume of a 1-2 Pod that increases to almost 5.5 cubic meters per. So I follow the same rule-of-thumb as a couple others have mentioned: one Hitchhiker per three Kerbonauts.

[Imaginer1]

Thanks for doing the math here, I'm glad to know how much living space Kerbals like ^.^

[Sof]

TBF there aren't really any stock parts that give large interior spaces, so what can we do?

Until Kerbal lifesupport is even an issue, just pretend they hibernate or go into cryostasis or something.

[Boris_T_Roach]

My Jool/Laythe mission had a 4 kerbal crew, 1 1-2 capsule with a hitchhiker pod as the landed and that was directly docked to 2 more hitch hiker pods and a couple of 6 way connectors( for extra fuel, instruments, comms gear, power generation and 2 rovers).

I think that was enough for the little fellas, but then in .20 we could'nt see what sort of state they left the hitch hiker pods in.......

Boris

<<damn glad that ship hit kerbin at 8km/sec and burned up

[Skorpychan]

you mean like knowing that every drop of water you drink most likely was at some point in history already pee?

Every drop of water you drink down here has been through three other people, on average. Recently.

Every drop of water on this planet was probably pissed out by dinosaurs at some point. Water is water.

[Apollo1391]

Every drop of water you drink down here has been through three other people, on average. Recently.

Every drop of water on this planet was probably pissed out by dinosaurs at some point. Water is water.

true that

and squad is planning on adding extensive iva which includes moving around inside the capsule

[Wesreidau]

Every bit of food grown in a field is one part worm poop to one part car exhaust to two parts animal breath to ten parts fungus breath. Ah, the circle of life...

[BubbaWilkins]

Who says they are restricted to the command module? maybe they have a billiards table back in the structural fuselage you know nothing about!