Oxygen generating part & material conduits: Liquid fuel cells & pipelines.

[JHawx]

How bout we introduce this item to generate both power & air:

requires: heavy water, electricity

provides: electricity, oxidizer (as it makes oxygen + hydrogen)

generates heat

also, now that we can generate and transfer new material called water, how bout adding couple more ducts and wires?

- waterpipe

* transfers water from tank to powercell without contaminating the fuel transferred inside components and fucelage

- Hi-capacity wire (to transfer electricity)

- airline (to transfer oxydizer)

But doing this from single component to another seems just a little, well, retundant. How bout we introduce a HUBS.

- water valve hub.

* y-hub: 1 intake, 2 outtakes

* x-hub: 1 intake 3 outtakes

* Starhub: 1 intake 5 outtakes.

- electric hub

*same as water hub. allows storing batteries at one part of the plane, but to transfer it to other part of the plane.

Now, we got batteries / watertanks on other side of the plane, that provides power & fuel/air to a tank to what point?

-detachable motors: When you detach an engine through decoupler, it is still attached to the hull with the wire hanging to it, and then smashing the engine to plane.

We can prevent this by putting a hub / line decoupler that ejects the wire from the tank/from the ship.

at moment we got engines that just burn air more than fuel, i am running out of oxydizer in most cases, where there still is fuel in the tanks. They also quickly charge the batterybanks, but after they are lost, i need secondary place to store it. Fuselage does not carry it, so i need to externally transfer it over it.

this may have allready been suggested, but i thought better to give my 2 cents on it.

[Morrigi]

....What? Why do you need heavy water to make hydrogen/oxygen? That makes no sense whatsoever.

[gtrx]

....What? Why do you need heavy water to make hydrogen/oxygen? That makes no sense whatsoever.

you mean why use heavy water instead of just ordinary water?

[gtrx]

As far as running out of oxidizer...lol

you're doing the tanks wrong. you're using some jet fuel tanks, which contain no oxidizer and the fuel gets left without burning. Otherwise, all the rocket tanks have the perfect fuel/oxidizer ratio and the rockets consume in that exact ratio too...

[MR4Y]

That's too complicated to implement, IMO.

[JHawx]

the answer to that, would be 2x generation of power, because heavy water is 2h02 or D20.

More hydrogen to burn, thus more powerfull reaction.

and why would this be too hard to implement? Just use the hardpoint connector type solution, where there is hardpoints on the hubs, and disconnector solution on the other end. You got allready exploding separators for the tanks, both mechanical and slightly explosive one. Its down to just having more parts, that has combined elements of previous ones.

Iwe now tried some addons, and they seem to allready be doing this, so dont tell it is impossible.

Just ran onto the unipropellant, and got no cliue what those does, seems there are no engines for those tanks yet.

There has been discussions on use of no airflow airjets, but there are some that uses canned air. Thus air generating modules suggestion.

But yes, i can see how this could be done, if nt by game developers, then some addon makers.

This is a technology we allready use, i have heard there is currently a several hydrogen generators onboard of the international station on ESA spacestation. What are they doing? generating power, heat and water for plantation on the station.

This is all what will be needed in order to create everything needed for life support in space. Think about it:

power can be used to sustain UV lamps, that powers plantation, it generates heat that its needed so everything wont freeze over. Plants scrub air from carbon dioxide 7x better than mechanical scrubbers, water released from these generators giwe pure drinking water to kerbonausts and plants...

[WiZz4Rd]

Sry, but there are several things i feel a bit confused about.

First: If you want to seperate water or heavy water into its atoms, then you need power for it, there is no energy produced in the process.

Then, out in space the problem mostly isn't about getting it warm in your craft, more often the problem is to keep it cool, because all the electric stuff inside produces lots of heat, you need a system to get rid of this excess heat.

Also, the pure water produced by combining oxygen and hydrogen is toxic to humans because it's missing many minerals (like salt).

Lastly, heavy water isn't "2HO2" its "2H2O" wich results in nearly the exact amount of power needed to seperate both parts.

What they do on actual space flights is, combining their rocketfuel (LH and LO) to Water, using a fuel cell, which provides power.

Combining all of that, I have to say that your idea isn't really good. What can be thought about, are fuel cell's, which use fuel (if our rocket fuel is LH/LO) and generate power.

[JHawx]

let me clear the confusion for you, you are thinking of regular combustion engine principals which consumes the fuel it uses, liquid fuel cells are little different:

hydrogen power cell makes fuel, gas form of hydrogen. have you ever used bbg with gas? burn the gas and get energy. The waste product is litterally oxygen. For this it needs a small current.

in the process, it also generates 2 electrons / atom when separated, thats direct power. (

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So hydrogen cell makes power, gas and oxygen.

So basicly you are right, after initial start, the power produced is bigger than the need of the engine. It produces gas, which can then be used to either turn turbine, or to be burned to generate heat that turns the turbine.

why is this so important? mon, if you say it does not produce power, then howcome theres around 70 000 homes operated by heating the house using gas and power generated by these fiuellcells?

Well, it was worth a try anyways.

[ouion]

Most Service Module use Liquid Oxygen as Life support and Hydrogen to generate Power.Most manned Space Craft's Service Module Propellants use Dinitrogen tetroxide as oxidizer and UDMH or MMH as Fuel,because they are hypergolic and storeable.

[Floppster]

Okay, hi. I just can't stand the stupid in this thread.

1: Heavy water

The formula for heavy water is as you said D2O, but not 2HO2, H2O2 or 2H2O. 2H2O is simply water, just that you've specified two molecules of it, 2 x H20.

Heavy water is called heavy because of the deuterium, D. Deuterium is an isotope of hydrogen containing one proton, one neutron and one electron, as opposed to regular hydrogen that contains one proton and one electron. The added neutron makes it pretty much twice as heavy as regular hydrogen.

2: Fuel cells

Following the video posted, you're wrong. Really, you posted "proof" for your side and didn't even follow it. In a fuel cell, hydrogen is passed through the cathode, splitting it into electrons and protons. these later rejoin and bond with oxygen, forming water.

3: Electrolysis

To get the hydrogen and oxygen separated before feeding it into the fuel cell, you have to use electrolysis. This is done by applying a current through water, turning it into hydrogen gas and oxygen gas. Performing electrolysis of heavy water simply creates heavy hydrogen gas, deuterium, and oxygen gas.

Edited April 21, 2014 by Floppster

[r4pt0r]

OP, few things for you to consider.

1. monoprop is for rcs. rcs ports are under "control" in the vab, and use little poofs of monoprop to help turn big ships. it is not(supposed to be*) a source massive orbit changing propulsion.

2. the jetfuel tank holds 180(?) fuel and no oxidizer. it is for use with the basic jet engine, and the turbojet engine. they also require "intake air" to run. no oxidizer. have to throw on an air intake(those are under the aerodynamics tab)

3. the rest of the engines run off the other tanks. in the vab you can rightclick the part in the partmenu to see how much fuel and oxidizer each has. that should help

[Sirrobert]

And what USE is this supposed to have?

[r4pt0r]

op was using jet fuel in rockets, kept running out of oxidizer lol

[BudgetHedgehog]

[Floppster]

Edit: double post

Edited April 21, 2014 by Floppster

[Sirrobert]

Damnit, I hate it when I don't notice a necro