MIR .craft files and more

[sumghai]

Yea but see.... I am not repackaging entire mods. But nice try.

The fact that you are repackaging portions of other people's add-ons under your own name, without express permission from BobCat, makes this no different to plagarism.

BobCat may have a reason for halting development / maintenance on some of his mods. Maybe he wants to completely revamp them, but is too busy to do so. You can respect his decision by refraining from redistributing non-original craft files.

But still love your mod. As I use it for my refueling station.

Are you trying to win favors?

EDIT - just found out that the OP is redistributing BobCat's original sample crafts that the OP got someone else to make for him in the first place.

Edited September 28, 2013 by sumghai

[T-Pilot395]

Look at the car analogy. It's a bad one but it's an example of what you are doing.

The craft files are part of the addon/mod, and you're distributing that without their author's permission.

"Oh nice book you have, lemme take out a few pages of it, as well as a few pages of another book."

*rip*

"Okay I can go photocopy this and give it away for free so everyone else can read those segments"

I'm sorry i kept thinking of these analogies on the fly so they're pretty bad

[FlyingRoss]

As I said, the advice I was offering was not for my sake - it's up to you how you choose to deal with a reminder.

I'm sorry I can't help you with your remaining problem - but I'm sure someone will be along eventually who will.

As for the files, are these the same files that you were begging for in the BobCat thread last night and that Tonupboy sent you a link to?

Thanks so much for your hard work. I hope when you copied the files you were sent, you remembered to realign the solar panel on the MIR Core so that it extends properly...

Seriously have no idea what your major issue is. Did not copy him nor did I see his craft files, nor am I copying them.

Yes I asked for them and that's why I thought I would ****ing help the community out

But obviously I was wrong about this community I been watching for over a year.

I am not recreating, redistributing, copying anything.

But all of you are huge douche bags that have huge e peens.

Get over yourselves.

I was just trying to create .craft files and a How to to put them together.

And I am not redistributing parts of his mod hold on .... wait for it.... BECAUSE THERE IS NO PARTS FOLDER

dear lord.

Everything has to go back to the original creators to get the parts.

But again everyone wants to be the Huge internet man.

[sumghai]

And I am not redistributing parts of his mod hold on .... wait for it.... BECAUSE THERE IS NO PARTS FOLDER

You've taken the term "part" too literally.

By part, we mean portion or component. In this case, the sample craft files are portions or components of BobCat's original mod that you've redistributed without his permission.

If you had created a unique space station design using BobCat's parts, you would have been forgiven, but even then you would still have to post it in the Spacecraft Exchange subforums.

But again everyone wants to be the Huge internet man.

Who is this "Huge internet man" you speak of?

[FlyingRoss]

You've taken the term "part" too literally.

By part, we mean portion or component. In this case, the sample craft files are portions or components of BobCat's original mod that you've redistributed without his permission.

If you had created a unique space station design using BobCat's parts, you would have been forgiven, but even then you would still have to post it in the Spacecraft Exchange subforums.

Who is this "Huge internet man" you speak of?

well fine I will switch places between kvant-1 and kvant 2 and that will be my own

Yep stupid rules for stupid children

Never did I say this was my own, never did I take credit, never did I try to make it my own.

bobcat has had the mir asas module missing since................ **** how long has 1.21 been out? damn when was the last time ISS community updated?

When was the MIR asas taken out?

This is nothing against bobcat but obviously it is not his prority to do these things.

I am taking what I had previously built and trying to match it 100% with the exclusion of mechjeb. But I think I will try to upload a craft of every module without that as well. Who knows, maybe someone will actualy say thank you.; unlike the 3 pages of accusations, hearsay, and downright unhelpful posts.

[FlyingRoss]

and honestly I am done with this. I was just trying to help out the community. But if you would like to continue this conversation PM me and I will give the email you can reach me at.

and I will show you what forums I moderate.

[Guest]

This is actually quite nice. Also, it's definitely not re-distributing parts of a mod. It's a bloody .craft file, those things are hardly something unique. It's the idea that counts and here, the station is simply assembled as it should be. If you're going to make .craft files for modules with the Proton, then don't forget to put Kvant solar panels on Kristall. Those circular areas were the place where they were originally mounted.

[sumghai]

well fine I will switch places between kvant-1 and kvant 2 and that will be my own

Swapping the positions of two functionally and visually identical modules does not constitute an original craft design.

Yep stupid rules for stupid children

Bear in mind that said rules were established by the forum and community admins and moderators.

Never did I say this was my own, never did I take credit, never did I try to make it my own.

I am taking what I had previously built and trying to match it 100% with the exclusion of mechjeb. But I think I will try to upload a craft of every module without that as well. Who knows, maybe someone will actualy say thank you.; unlike the 3 pages of accusations, hearsay, and downright unhelpful posts.

The KerbTown/Kerbin City redistributor made the exact same claims, but had his offending add-on removed anyway.

At the end of the day, you are free to do whatever you want with downloaded add-ons, but if you're redistributing content (even craft files someone else made that you've not modified sufficiently) you must seek express permission from the rightful authors.

and honestly I am done with this. I was just trying to help out the community. But if you would like to continue this conversation PM me and I will give the email you can reach me at.

and I will show you what forums I moderate.

No thanks.

I moderate and administer forums too, but just because you do so doesn't give you the right to redistribute BobCat's sample crafts without his permission.

Edited September 28, 2013 by sumghai

[HeadHunter67]

If you're going to make .craft files for modules with the Proton, then don't forget to put Kvant solar panels on Kristall. Those circular areas were the place where they were originally mounted.

Precisely. I'm sure that we'll see soon enough whether these "new" files correct the errors in the originals. It's why I put up the screenshot of mine - I discovered that some of the panels were absent or improperly aligned, and had to correct it myself. It helps that I have a model on my desk for reference.

Edited September 28, 2013 by HeadHunter67

[FlyingRoss]

This is actually quite nice. Also, it's definitely not re-distributing parts of a mod. It's a bloody .craft file, those things are hardly something unique. It's the idea that counts and here, the station is simply assembled as it should be. If you're going to make .craft files for modules with the Proton, then don't forget to put Kvant solar panels on Kristall. Those circular areas were the place where they were originally mounted.

well honeslty I did not know that.

I am trying to get it assembled always to what the Wikipedia pages has as Refrence.

yes I know that is little to go on. I will look at the images and see if it is right.

Sadly having issues with KSP crashing right now. I am trying to upload the modules as I put them together, to make sure the launcher and RCS is balanced. Had to restart a couple of times bacause I forgot to hit F5.

I am not getting off tonight untill the entire program is saved and uploaded.

[FlyingRoss]

Swapping the positions of two functionally and visually identical modules does not constitute an original craft design.

Bear in mind that said rules were established by the forum and community admins and moderators.

The KerbTown/Kerbin City redistributor made the exact same claims, but had his offending add-on removed anyway.

At the end of the day, you are free to do whatever you want with downloaded add-ons, but if you're redistributing content (even craft files someone else made that you've not modified sufficiently) you must seek express permission from the rightful authors.

No thanks.

I moderate and administer forums too, but just because you do so doesn't give you the right to redistribute BobCat's sample crafts without his permission.

Kvant 1 and Kvant 2 were no where close to being visually identical modules.

That would be saying a baseball and football look the same just because they end in "ball"

[Cykyrios]

So, after a quick reading of this thread, let me say this:

First, if you are indeed distributing .craft files, this is not the proper place to post.

Then, as some other users said, you are redistributing files from another modder (with a specific part removed, from my understanding). Yet you make no mention of that or having asked for their permission to do so, either on the OP or in the description of your spaceport link.

And finally, the conversation has clearly turned into something we do not need on this forum, with name calling and general rudeness.

I will lock this thread and remove the links - and remember, if you want to redistribute a craft file, an easy way to do so is to link to the file itself (or forum thread), not creating a link to it yourself.

And if you wish to distribute your own creations, feel free to do so in a new thread.