We might have destroyed the way of living of another planet.

[your mom]

I think if the aliens or what ever have far more advance technology then us they will see us worthless and take over and planet either

A. They will enslave is for life

B. Destroy us and keep the planet to them self\'s

C. Or destroy the planet

Just a thought.

[Kryten]

A. They will enslave is for life

B. Destroy us and keep the planet to them self\'s

C. Or destroy the planet

Just a thought.

Why?

For A, They\'ll not need slaves if they\'re remotely advanced, for B. they\'ll be able to have as many planets as they want that don\'t have annoying apes on them, and for C... why?

[Darrknox]

Why?

For A, They\'ll not need slaves if they\'re remotely advanced, for B. they\'ll be able to have as many planets as they want that don\'t have annoying apes on them, and for C... why?

As many planets as they want? How advance are we talking about here? There\'s a big difference between moving quickly through space, understanding the components of information and jumping to instant celestial colonization/infinite work forces.

[Kryten]

As many planets as they want? How advance are we talking about here? There\'s a big difference between moving quickly through space, understanding the components of information and jumping to instant celestial colonization/infinite work forces.

It\'s more the fact that there\'s pretty much no way a species could fill all of them-unless they\'re from Proxima or something, they\'ll have plenty of other planets they can take, assuming they don\'t just make space habitats instead.

[Darrknox]

It\'s more the fact that there\'s pretty much no way a species could fill all of them-unless they\'re from Proxima or something, they\'ll have plenty of other planets they can take, assuming they don\'t just make space habitats instead.

Well, it could be that we\'re very limited in tracking earth like planets, and also that we have no idea what these possible aliens could have in terms of 'paradisaical' environs (which highly effects the points of the discussion) but a planet like Earth is a jewel compared to the other planets they can easily get to. I mean, how many of those planets don\'t have -1+2* atmospheres, let alone one that isn\'t a gas giant/green housed/weak ozone/annoying magnetic fields/dangerously weathered/has life.

*-1 being virtually non existent (mercury/pluto) and 2 being too great to utilize easily (venus/jupiter/neptune et al)

[Kryten]

That\'s pretty much irrelevant if they can make something like an O\' Neill cylinder or Stanford torus-which they should be able to, if they can make interstellar invasion ships. One asteroid field=few thousand Earths worth of area, no invasion necessary.

[your mom]

Why?

For A, They\'ll not need slaves if they\'re remotely advanced, for B. they\'ll be able to have as many planets as they want that don\'t have annoying apes on them, and for C... why?

A. You can never have to much slaves, just think of planet of the apes they enslaved the humans when they were far mare advanced then we were.

B. Maybe are planet has resources that others don\'t

C. Why do we destroy ant hills?

[Kryten]

A. You can never have to much slaves, just think of planet of the apes they enslaved the humans when they were far mare advanced then we were.

I meant highly advanced in general, not more advanced than the other people. You don\'t people to do hard labour if you can have machines do it instead, and machines don\'t rebel, or need food, or need air.

B. Maybe are planet has resources that others don\'t

Like what?

C. Why do we destroy ant hills?

Because we think they\'re pests. We wouldn\'t even register on that level.

[Darrknox]

That\'s pretty much irrelevant if they can make something like an O\' Neill cylinder or Stanford torus-which they should be able to, if they can make interstellar invasion ships. One asteroid field=few thousand Earths worth of area, no invasion necessary.

Well, that\'s something we\'d never fully be able to answer due to the ambiguity of our questions. We may have ideas behind artificial worlds, but we\'re so limited in the understanding of the architecture and process required to build them, we can\'t say for sure they\'re as easily feasible as interstellar crafts. They\'re built from so many facets of scientific understanding. Robotics, physics, ecology, cybernetics. We\'re talking about crazy ideas from the mid seventies. Everything is simple when you boil it down and say 'well, we\'ll cross that bridge when we come to it.' Or 'they should be able to.' Where are they getting all the raw organic materials from to furnish these artificial worlds?

[your mom]

I meant highly advanced in general, not more advanced than the other people. You don\'t people to do hard labour if you can have machines do it instead, and machines don\'t rebel, or need food, or need air.

Ok a planet that can handle life, no need for extra machines. Maybe a few to keep the humans from rebelling, why food if they see us worthless.

Like what? Water and we have a lot.

Because we think they\'re pests. We wouldn\'t even register on that level.

We would if they were way more advance

[UmbralRaptor]

There\'s a lot more water in the Kuiper belt and moons of the outer planets than on Earth...

[Altair1371]

There\'s a lot more water in the Kuiper belt and moons of the outer planets than on Earth...

true, but you can;t scoop up the water by itself. On Earth, we have millions of gallons of saltwater that can be easily scooped up with far fewer impurities in it.

[UmbralRaptor]

true, but you can;t scoop up the water by itself. On Earth, we have millions of gallons of saltwater that can be easily scooped up with far fewer impurities in it.

Unless I\'m doing something wrong with my assumptions/calculations, it takes substantially less energy to heat ice from 35 to 273 K and melt it, than it does to accelerate it to 7000 m/s. By about a factor of 30. (~834 kJ/kg vs 24500 kJ/kg)

I wonder if that kind of energy difference applies to this theoretical ice/water mining as a whole. Or if energy requirements for purifying either way dwarf the above?

[Altair1371]

Extracting just the water from the Kuiper Belt would take an enormous amount of energy. The easiest water source (other than Earth) would probably be Ganymede, but the most efficient way is to literally melt the entire moon. There\'s too many variables of what the aliens have. Do they have a fleet of corvettes, or a single colony ship? Do they have massive energy storage, or a huge fusion reactor? What base is their lifeform? Boron? Mercury? It\'s too hard to conjecture about extraterrestial life. For all we know, they may just be sentient gases that can explode your brain with alpha waves.

[Zombie Biscuit]

Viruses are species specific-it\'s pretty unlikely, to say the least, that a virus would be able to infect a completely alien being. And I doubt these extremely advanced aliens are going to have somehow failed to discover antibiotics and antiseptics.

Morgellons. http://www.rense.com/morgphase/phase2_1.htm

Started when a meteorite fell near an aborigenous tribe in central america. Cure is not known.

Maybe the war already started and we don\'t even know about it? What kind of disease is this, it has no viruses, bacteria NOTHING but it still spreads. *cough*geneticengineering*cough*

[Kryten]

Extracting just the water from the Kuiper Belt would take an enormous amount of energy.

Far less than energy than taking it out of Earths gravity well,as Raptor pointed out. His figure is actually a pretty massive underestimate, as 7000m/s isn\'t even orbital velocity-it\'s more like a factor of 50.

Where are they getting all the raw organic materials from to furnish these artificial worlds?

What do you mean \'organic material\'? There\'s no elements needed there that you couldn\'t just get from asteroids, and the energy required to refine them is going to be less than that needed to remove them from Earth.

Maybe the war already started and we don\'t even know about it? What kind of disease is this, it has no viruses, bacteria NOTHING but it still spreads. *cough*geneticengineering*cough*

: There\'s no virus, no bacterium, and no cure, because there\'s no disease.

This is \'Morgellons.\'

[Zombie Biscuit]

Mr kryten, Explain what happens to their bodies and why fiber grows inside those poor people 'infected' with morgellons then.

[Altair1371]

Crap, it\'s the Andromeda Strain!

[Kryten]

Mr kryten, Explain what happens to their bodies and why fiber grows inside those poor people 'infected' with morgellons then.

They\'re fibres from their clothing, embedded in the sores from scratching themselves.

[Zombie Biscuit]

They\'re fibres from their clothing, embedded in the sores from scratching themselves.

If you\'ve really read through the link I gave you, you would have noticed that they found fiber inside a woman\'s body, near the bone.

Also, this: http://www.rense.com/morgphase/PB11.jpg

'New lesion on left breast. Many particles were of gelatinous glowing blood.

Fiber samples including striated strands. One particle'

The samples were in alcohol, just so you know.

Also, http://www.morgellons.org/symptoms.htm

'These structures can be described as fiber-like or filamentous, and are the most striking feature of this disease. In addition, patients report the presence of seed-like granules and black speck-like material associated with their skin. Fig 1. and Fig 2. below show Fibers emerging from a lesion on child\'s lip at 200x.'

[Kryten]

I don\'t think you can really use that...thing as a source.

I mean, it says that these fibres are nanorobots that are dropped in chemtrails. That should be a warning sign right there.

The lesion is probably exactly what they say it is-\'gelatinous blood\'. Perfectly normal blood clots are fibrous.

[Zombie Biscuit]

I don\'t think you can really use that...thing as a source.

I mean, it says that these fibres are nanorobots that are dropped in chemtrails. That should be a warning sign right there.

The lesion is probably exactly what they say it is-\'gelatinous blood\'. Perfectly normal blood clots are fibrous.

ignore the nanorobots part. But the fibers even move: http://mic.sgmjournals.org/content/147/4/929/rel-suppl/cc83fed75b88c296/suppl/DC1?eaf

There have been found glowing fibers too.

[Kryten]

ignore the nanorobots part. But the fibers even move: http://mic.sgmjournals.org/content/147/4/929/rel-suppl/cc83fed75b88c296/suppl/DC1?eaf

Look at the description on that-it\'s caused by flagellated bacteria, and has absolutely nothing to do with with this \'Morgellons\' nonsense.

There have been found glowing fibers too.

They\'ve found fibres that fluoresce. That\'s hardly a big deal-many dyes fluoresce, many minerals fluoresce, cat piss fluoresces.

[Spacecats!]

Is the moon count as a 'other world'? =P

It\'s a MOON.

So no

[your mom]

It\'s a MOON.

So no

How bout MARS, HA! what now!