Is DLC for KSP a good idea?

[G'th]

I really don't want flame so please post constructive posts. "DLC is bad" is as much an argument as "you are stupid" - that is, it isn't one. Please use arguments.

DLC is bad because its small digestible bits of the game that almost always should have (and probably was) been a part of the game in the first place, and not something downloaded separately.

Expansions are better because they expand the content beyond the original scope, simultaneously adding a new section to the game while also enhancing the original parts of the game.

DLC is pointless because of mods. Expansions would make mods better.

DLC is also just a rip off for the players if it isn't free (and if it is free, then they should just be included with the game anyway. It isn't Squad's responsibility to add things they don't want to, even if they keep it optional) whereas expansions are (usually) well worth the money you would spend.

Imagine that the authors of the most popular mods have an accident or just get bored with KSP and leaves - no more MechJeb, no more BobCat Ind., no more Kethane etc. With official DLC you have guaranteed support and compatibility.

DLC never has nor will have the range of features that mods can provide. DLC also has an end point. Eventually, Squad would stop developing DLC as they move on to their next project. Modding never stops until the game is completely dead.

And regardless, even if certain mods were abandoned, eventually someone takes over them. Whether its by rebuilding it (or making something that serves the same purpose) or taking over the mod directly, mods never necessarily die.

[6.forty]

I think the game needs to be a bit more "finalized" before thoughts of paid DLC dance in anyone's heads.

Besides, Kerbals don't have horses and if they did, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't need armor.

[Markus Reese]

With KSP's design to be modded, DLC really wouldn't work too well. Lots of KSP's stuff had been actually be designed by the player base initially. The new kerbal center, lagsbane, and other key mods just to sample.

I don't think it is a bad thing, just not sure what DLC could be offered. Possibly complex universe maps and detail packs though could do it for me.

[Dismissile]

No' date=' DLC is bad.

Now, an actual expansion, I could get behind.[/quote']

Please provide definitions on what you think DLC is and what an expansion is. If an expansion is released digitally, does it become DLC? How much content would an expansion need before it is no longer considered "bad DLC"? Or is it the type of content? Could you clarify these things for me?

[ThatKerbal]

Dissagree. DLC's Are Death To Games. If KSP Was to go Free to Play (Which the devs are actually thinking of, Jeb help us.) Undoutably there'll be some kind of premium, Some DLC's For Space Planes and their Hangar. Premium get everything free, Free to Play Only gets the VAB and the Launchpad and some Rocket stuff.

[G'th]

Personally I think the only thing Squad could or should offer that could be considered DLC, is just new code to support the different things a lot of popular mods try to do.

For instance, optimized support for life support mods to build off of. Same thing for things like weapons, new stars, sci-fi propulsion, etc etc.

[Themohawkninja]

DLC's Are Death To Games.

When has optional content downloading ever been the death of a game? Optional things don't kill games.

[cardgame]

Indirectly. Largely as part of the dev philosophy that would allow such a thing.

[ThatKerbal]

When has optional content downloading ever been the death of a game? Optional things don't kill games.

Optional? Take a look at battlefield. Take a look at all the "free" and "Paid" Games with DLC. Guy at level 70 in an RPG Game goes to buy better armor Guy has enough gold but guy get's told DLC ONLY! And so he can't beat the game.

[leax256]

(cutting out features from the game to sold them separately)

just cause ea practices this doesn't mean everyone does.

[Themohawkninja]

Optional? Take a look at battlefield. Take a look at all the "free" and "Paid" Games with DLC. Guy at level 70 in an RPG Game goes to buy better armor Guy has enough gold but guy get's told DLC ONLY! And so he can't beat the game.

I've never heard of a game that requires DLC to win. Battlefield's never been like that, so I don't see your point there.

[FITorion]

The term DLC carries with it evil connotations beyond simply Downloadable Content...

I hate DLC. I'm annoyed by things I have to download separately but are free... just have the thing automatically update with them. If it is free then it should just be an update... if it isn't free and it's small then it's DLC.

I like Expansions... and even though you download them and pay for them... they are not DLC or an update. They are things which are large... and significantly alter the game.

Now I ordered before the magical date that Squad decided to set for the cut off for getting all future KSP stuff for free... but if I hadn't...

I would download free DLC...

I would buy any and all expansions.

I would not buy any DLC out of protest for this cancer on games.

[ThatKerbal]

I would not buy any DLC out of protest for this cancer on games.

Thank you, My Point Stands.

EDIT: DLC's Also are death to games because people won't buy the DLC's People will start quitting because they don't wanna buy a SRB.

Squad would then be forced to either 1, or 2.

1# Remove every and ALL DLCs in the game and make them Free.

2# Shut down the game because they don't got enough money to keep their development going.

Edited January 10, 2014 by ThatKerbal

[Rosco P. Coltrane]

No, DLC is not a good idea for KSP or any other game.

The problem with DLC is that it can be a good thing, or a bad thing. Most of the time it's bad.

It is an extra source of income but they end up being THE source of income for the game. With this philosophy you end up with very crappy games just so the developers can sell you DLC stuff. Even worse, at some point they will dedicate their development time to create new DLC to sell instead of fixing bugs and things that are free to the player. Seen it a million times.

[ThatKerbal]

No, DLC is not a good idea for KSP or any other game.

The problem with DLC is that it can be a good thing, or a bad thing. Most of the time it's bad.

It is an extra source of income but they end up being THE source of income for the game. With this philosophy you end up with very crappy games just so the developers can sell you DLC stuff. Even worse, at some point they will dedicate their development time to create new DLC to sell instead of fixing bugs and things that are free to the player. Seen it a million times.

Yep...Me to.

[Themohawkninja]

Thank you, My Point Stands.

EDIT: DLC's Also are death to games because people won't buy the DLC's People will start quitting because they don't wanna buy a SRB.

Squad would then be forced to either 1, or 2.

1# Remove every and ALL DLCs in the game and make them Free.

2# Shut down the game because they don't got enough money to keep their development going.

False dichotomy w/ baseless assumption.

People aren't going to quit because they don't want to buy an SRB, since they can just (A) pirate the parts, or ( .cfg edit a part they own to act just like the DLC part. They just don't get the model.

Lastly, your point doesn't stand, since you didn't refute my last post yet.

[ThatKerbal]

False dichotomy w/ baseless assumption.

People aren't going to quit because they don't want to buy an SRB, since they can just (A) pirate the parts, or ( .cfg edit a part they own to act just like the DLC part. They just don't get the model.

Lastly, your point doesn't stand, since you didn't refute my last post yet.

WRONG.

Ever heard of a free game called roblox? My friends are always quitting because they can't do certain things.

Pirating parts? Heheh, This is the one that made me laugh. It's impossible to pirate DLCs.

Coding a Fuel Tank to propulsion out some SRB things? Hmmm, Let's think this one through. Has it ever come to you that half the players on KSP Dosen't know how to code?

False Dichotomy w/ Baseless Assumption?

Hmmm, Why don't i show you my account on roblox, On my wall you'll see all my friends saying their quitting because roblox is cutting them off from things.

Baseless assumption? HA HA HA...BASELESS? Hmm, Roblox is a plain base.

[Col_Jessep]

There are a couple of things I could absolutely see as DLC. Let's take Kerbalizer integration with the stock game. You can give Jeb a stylish mustache, sunglasses or a different suit. I would really like that and with Universe Replacer the changes to Kerbals don't stick. This would be a cosmetics DLC that is 100% optional but certainly worth a couple of bucks to many players.

Imagine that the authors of the most popular mods have an accident or just get bored with KSP and leaves - no more MechJeb, no more BobCat Ind., no more Kethane etc. With official DLC you have guaranteed support and compatibility.

I can't agree with this statement. In my experience it is more likely that dedicated modders support the game long after the developers and publishers had to move on due to money constraints. Prominent examples are Total Annihilation, Supreme Commander (FA), Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, Mount and Blade: Warband... I'm sure you can probably think of many other games. Yes, some great mods will probably be abandoned at some point. It happens. The more people are interested in a mod the higher the chance that somebody will take over. And you always have the choice to keep an older version of KSP with your favorite mods.

[Themohawkninja]

WRONG.

Ever heard of a free game called roblox? My friends are always quitting because they can't do certain things.

Your friends who play Roblox aren't the same (let alone a significant portion) of the players that play KSP.

Pirating parts? Heheh, This is the one that made me laugh. It's impossible to pirate DLCs.

How so? I buy a part, download it off of the KSP website, copy it onto the PirateBay, and BAM, people can get the part.

Coding a Fuel Tank to propulsion out some SRB things? Hmmm, Let's think this one through. Has it ever come to you that half the players on KSP Dosen't know how to code?

CFG edits are easy, and Googling how to do them is even easier.

False Dichotomy w/ Baseless Assumption?

Hmmm, Why don't i show you my account on roblox, On my wall you'll see all my friends saying their quitting because roblox is cutting them off from things.

Baseless assumption? HA HA HA...BASELESS? Hmm, Roblox is a plain base.

Your friends don't represent the same people in the KSP community. No offense, but from what I have heard, the Roblox community is analogous to the CoD community.

[czokletmuss]

Just a reminder - we're talking about a DLC for KSP, not about DLC in general, business practices in regard to them or DLCs for Reblog or any other game.

[Sof]

DLC is just the current version of expansion packs because the medium now allows for smaller additions at a lower price than they did 10 years ago.

Pay to win games are almost always free. How do you expect the game devs to make money on a free game? Or do you think they're hosting the servers and patching the bugs out of the kindness of their heart? Roblox is a free game. You aren't entitled to anything. People who support the game get better stuff.

DLC for other games are optional. You can easily get all the fun from games like COD or battlefield without buying a single map pack. You don't need Dawnguard to enjoy Skyrim. They simply enhance the game for the players who want to play more.

DLC on paid games are not necessary and have never "killed" a game.

Miniature expansions like NEW SRB BETTER THRUST DLC would never happen in KSP. It's not a free game, and on top of that, it isn't PVP either. It would be much larger updates that actually require more than what most modders would be otherwise willing to do for free.

[ThatKerbal]

Your friends don't represent the same people in the KSP community. No offense, but from what I have heard, the Roblox community is analogous to the CoD community.

So if i get this right, Your insulting the community i am known in and am a leader basically? That's alot of great disrespect. Alot of people on my friends list have KSP. And we're analogous to the CoD Community? So you've insulted 2 Games with maybe thousands not thousands BILLIONS Playing? Great job man, Great job.

[Themohawkninja]

So if i get this right, Your insulting the community i am known in and am a leader basically? That's alot of great disrespect. Alot of people on my friends list have KSP. And we're analogous to the CoD Community? So you've insulted 2 Games with maybe thousands not thousands BILLIONS Playing? Great job man, Great job.

You have got it completely wrong as I am only speaking from what I have heard. As I stated, no offense was meant, so any that you derived is your fault.

[Rowsdower]

No matter the opinion, please remember to keep things civil here.

[ThatKerbal]

You have got it completely wrong as I am only speaking from what I have heard. As I stated, no offense was meant, so any that you derived is your fault.

If i misinterpreted then i apologize, But as the good conduct guide says it is hard to know what people mean over the internet.

And what you have "Heard" Is completely wrong. Just because you hear something dosen't mean it's right. Does that fact have anything to prove it? NO. The roblox community welcomes new players. (Just not the ignorance of the guest players PEOPLE WITHOUT ACCOUNTS = Guest they can't see your chats only they can see their chats so they use that as a way to troll) We are a nice and involved community with the game. We don't insult when people get something wrong like CoD Does alot. We just say hey! It's just a game we'll win next time! as alot of games on roblox are based on sports or shooters.