Do you believe in the existence of highly advanced ancient Earth civilization before?

[rtxoff]

Your hypothesis revolves around the idea of why and how these buildings were built. The existence and composition of said buildings does not provide enough evidence to support said hypothesis.

That can only say someone who has not informed himself enough about this matter. I am not going to write endless text walls here but there is more then enough evidence to support that hypothesis. And no it is not my hypothesis but it is the one i believe in. Hell i am not even the OP of this thread. Everyone who wishes to know more, the internet is a big big place. Read yourself into it.

[Albert VDS]

The internet is also a great place for unrealistic hocus pocus.

[vger]

Amazing how ALL speculation, eventually gets put on the same level as Russel's Teapot.

That is an unjustified amount of insult.

And people wondered why I've brought up Alfred Wegener before.

[NASAFanboy]

That can only say someone who has not informed himself enough about this matter. I am not going to write endless text walls here but there is more then enough evidence to support that hypothesis. And no it is not my hypothesis but it is the one i believe in. Hell i am not even the OP of this thread. Everyone who wishes to know more, the internet is a big big place. Read yourself into it.

Where the hell are you reading your stuff? ATS and Ancient Aliens don't count.

If you apply an engineering mindset to the construction of the great pyramid and stone henge and large statues, you can see that they can be accomplished with pre-industrial technology. For example, for the pyramid, the workers could have hauled up the stones on dirt ramps that were dead denned after the pyramid was complete. They could've, to aid their work, rolled the stones up using logs. Don't think "aliens", just go tackle the issue with a practical mindset and you will see how they are constructed.

99% of information on the internet is utter bullcrap.

If you seriously believe that...

May the spaghetti monster help us all.

[ZetaX]

So first off, that's not a non sequitur as you suggested. What I said indeed does follow from those posts before.

I never said it does not follow from the above, but thanks for the completely unnecessary explaination. The non-sequitur is solely your post (in itself, as already mentioned earlier): you conclude something about radio towers not working from GPS needing relativity. If this isn't a non-sequitur, then enlighten me.

Also note: a non-sequitur has nothing to do with the statements being correct. It might be that radio towers won't work for that purpose. But it very definitely does not follow from GPS depending on relativiy (at best, you may conclude that the radio tower would also need to use it, and even that is sketchy at best).

So instead of acting like I am to dumb to know how GPS works you might want to explain your reasonings next time. Without them, it is nothing more than non-sequitur.

Radio towers are, by their nature, limited in range because they are on earth. At the very least they are bound by the necessity to create a taller tower the more range you require.

Nope, or at least not as much as you think. Radio waves can be made to "follow" the surface by a) reflection on e.g. the ionosphere, refraction by air's changing density, c) diffraction by the surface itself. Ultra long radio radio signal can be used to send to a significant part of the world, maybe even all of it, with one single (not huge) tower.

You get other problems, but range is not one of them.

Find me some super-advanced civilization that did this on Earth and I'll eat my hat.

I never argued that such a civilisation existed. I simply argued that your first post there was a non-sequitur and that this one does not give good evidence against the radio tower construct. In higher generality: your argumentation is not correct simply because the conclusion is right, and even less so just because I am not able or willing to show that the opposite of your conclusion is correct.

[shynung]

That can only say someone who has not informed himself enough about this matter. I am not going to write endless text walls here but there is more then enough evidence to support that hypothesis. And no it is not my hypothesis but it is the one i believe in. Hell i am not even the OP of this thread. Everyone who wishes to know more, the internet is a big big place. Read yourself into it.

In your first post:

They did. Have a look at the various Pyramids all aligned along an past equator line around the Earth.

Also most master builders will tell you even nowadays buildings like the Cheops pyramid are not buildable with this precision.

You were supposing that pyramids are aligned along a past equator. That can only happen if the ancient civilizations than built them (I'm assuming Egyptians and Mayans) lived billions of years ago, back when the Earth was very young. At that time, the land masses are not arranged as they are today; there was one huge continent at one time called Pangaea, which broke into the current continents. While it is possible that the current positions of pyramids have been in the equator, there is another problem.

The first anatomically-modern humans first appeared in the fossil records about 200,000 years ago, specifically the species Homo sapiens(us). By the 10,000 years-ago mark, all other members of the Homo genus(which looked more like apes than humans) has vanished, leaving only us. At that time, farming crops was already discovered. About 6000 years ago, a proto-state developed in what is now Egypt, in which farming was widespread, and a simplistic government is established.

Claiming that a civilization living 10,000 years ago can erect objects that precisely matches a former equatorial site from billions of years before them, using technology that leaves absolutely no trace other than the objects themselves, especially by a newly-evolved species that has just started organizing everything, is a pretty big leap of faith, no matter how you looked at it.

Edited June 4, 2014 by shynung

[vger]

Haven't cellphones (even without GPS) been used to locate lost people, through old-fashioned triangulation?

And really, GPS communication isn't automatically a logical sign of a civilization.

Perhaps that other civilization wasn't heavily-focused on making everything as easy as clicking a button. They could have had the foresight to see where that would inevitably lead. Or they could have just been elitist jerks and when someone first conjured up their equivalent of an Abacus, the elite order of holy know-it-alls smashed it and said "Do the damn math in your head!"

Not saying I think this necessarily happened on Earth, but we need to accept that civilization could develop on a radically different path than our own. May not be so important for archaeology, but it certainly is when it comes to looking for E.T.

"The Asguard can never invent a weapon that propels small weights of iron and carbon alloys by igniting a powder of Potassium nitrate, charcoal, and sulphur. We can not think like you." - Thor

Edited June 4, 2014 by vger

[rtxoff]

In your first post:

You were supposing that pyramids are aligned along a past equator. That can only happen if the ancient civilizations than built them (I'm assuming Egyptians and Mayans) lived billions of years ago, back when the Earth was very young. At that time, the land masses are not arranged as they are today; there was one huge continent at one time called Pangaea, which broke into the current continents. While it is possible that the current positions of pyramids have been in the equator, there is another problem.

The first anatomically-modern humans first appeared in the fossil records about 200,000 years ago, specifically the species Homo sapiens(us). By the 10,000 years-ago mark, all other members of the Homo genus(which looked more like apes than humans) has vanished, leaving only us. At that time, farming crops was already discovered. About 6000 years ago, a proto-state developed in what is now Egypt, in which farming was widespread, and a simplistic government is established.

Claiming that a civilization living 10,000 years ago can erect objects that precisely matches a former equatorial site from billions of years before them, using technology that leaves absolutely no trace other than the objects themselves, especially by a newly-evolved species that has just started organizing everything, is a pretty big leap of faith, no matter how you looked at it.

Well what's with the big leap of faith you need to have to believe in humans called pharaos committed all their life in building their own gigantic graves?

Sorry for me that is just absurd.

I am not saying that my version is the truth, just consider that the main one could be fraud.

[Nibb31]

Ever heard of Occam's Razor ?

[EdFred]

Ever heard of Occam's Razor ?

I've found there is no point in trying to poke holes in anyone's belief about something so blatantly and obviously wrong when they believe that 2 + cow = purple.

[rtxoff]

Well as far as i know Occam's Razor is not in favor to the common theory. However this could be again a matter of perspective.

Of things you want or want not to see. Also Occam's razor is only a principle, it can be seen as a criteria for the quality of theories. It can not judge the validity of them.

[rtxoff]

I've found there is no point in trying to poke holes in anyone's belief about something so blatantly and obviously wrong when they believe that 2 + cow = purple.

I perfectly agree with that.

[shynung]

Well what's with the big leap of faith you need to have to believe in humans called pharaos committed all their life in building their own gigantic graves?

Sorry for me that is just absurd.

I am not saying that my version is the truth, just consider that the main one could be fraud.

I never believed that Pharaohs committed their entire lives to build a gigantic grave for themselves, so I don't need a leap of faith. All I know is that they were buried there. Whether this was their own will or otherwise, I have insufficient facts to have any hypotheses about the details of the process.

Also, while it is tempting to think that the mainstream theories are false, it is a good practice to always look at the available facts that backs these theories, in order to understand why it was accepted. Should any new hypothesis appears, the actuality and accuracy of the facts and logical implications can make or break the resulting theory.

[NASAFanboy]

Removed.

Need to study more geography

Edited June 4, 2014 by NASAFanboy

[EdFred]

Just to clear some things up.

- All pyramids are aligned equatorally

- This is because that during ancient times, you needed lots of readily available fertile land to start a village which would then grow into a civilization (If you're lucky, 99% of the time, it got taken over by a current one or pillaged and burnt). And where would this fertile land be? Mostly around the equator. The vast bulk of Egptyian and Mayan civilization, both of which built their pyramids, were centered around the equator. And since it doesn't make much sense to construct your tomb in the middle of nowhere in territory far from your own borders, the pyramids are aligned alongside the equator. Probelm, conspiracy theorists?

Problem #1, Egypt isn't near the equator. It's southern border is barely south of the tropic of Cancer, and the pyramids are well north of that.

[NASAFanboy]

Problem #1, Egypt isn't near the equator. It's southern border is barely south of the tropic of Cancer, and the pyramids are well north of that.

Even so, these pyramids were constructed in a area of Egyptian jurisdiction.

[rtxoff]

I guess you did not understand, all mysterious monuments on the whole planet are on a line, not only the pyramids. And this line is tilted to some degree from the equator line. So one is tempted to believe that this was the equator line at the days they where build.

edit: unfortunately i am not a native english speaker, i try as best as i can....

[ZetaX]

The pyramids were generally not built at the equator (look up where Giza is, for example). Where did you get that random claim¿

Edit: and neither are they on a line. Get a map of eqypt showing the pyramids before making such nonsensical claims.

[EdFred]

Even so, these pyramids were constructed in a area of Egyptian jurisdiction.

That is true, but they were near the Nile river, which is what provided fertile ground, not the equator.

[N_las]

I guess you did not understand, all mysterious monuments on the whole planet are on a line, not only the pyramids. And this line is tilted to some degree from the equator line. So one is tempted to believe that this was the equator line at the days they where build.

edit: unfortunately i am not a native english speaker, i try as best as i can....

Show me the line on a globe that connects the pyramids in egypt, the pyramids in middle america, machu picchu, stonehenge ...

[andrewas]

I guess you did not understand, all mysterious monuments on the whole planet are on a line, not only the pyramids. And this line is tilted to some degree from the equator line. So one is tempted to believe that this was the equator line at the days they where build.

Thats the kind of statement that needs to be backed up with a map. Or at least a list of which monuments you consider to be mysterious enough to be on this list. Unless you want to tell me that easter island and the pyramids and stonehenge and the nazca lines are all on the same great circle?

[rtxoff]

Watch it from 1:12:00 , sorry it is in German but you will see the animation.

[Albert VDS]

I guess you did not understand, all mysterious monuments on the whole planet are on a line, not only the pyramids. And this line is tilted to some degree from the equator line. So one is tempted to believe that this was the equator line at the days they where build.

edit: unfortunately i am not a native english speaker, i try as best as i can....

Does you information come from the documantary "The Revelation of the Pyramids"?

Edit: Well it seems like it does.

It a well put together documantary in the sense of trying to make their point seem legit.

They take other far fetched claims and proof them wrong, then they try to step by step feed you miss information and end it with claims which are as absurd as the claim they disproved in the beginning.

Don't take every thing they, or anyone, say as the truth and think for yourself. At least look up what they are saying and verify if they are correct.

To quote Carl Sagan: "If we are not able to ask skeptical questions, to interrogate those who tell us that something is true, to be skeptical of those in authority, then we’re up for grabs for the next charlatan, political or religious, who comes ambling along"

Edited June 4, 2014 by Albert VDS

[rtxoff]

Does you information come from the documantary "The Revelation of the Pyramids"?

Edit: Well it seems like it does.

It a well put together documantary in the sense of trying to make their point seem legit.

They take other far fetched claims and proof them wrong, then they try to step by step feed you miss information and end it with claims which are as absurd as the claim they disproved in the beginning.

Well looks like u have an english version there

[N_las]

Watch it from 1:12:00 , sorry it is in German but you will see the animation.

Hahahah

pi - phi^2 = length of "Königselle" in metre. The only conclusion is that ancient people knew about the metric system...

Sorry. But if you take such "documentarys" seriously then there is no rational discussion possible with you.

What are the criteria for the line? Why are some site like stonehenge not included? If I plot random dots on a map everybody can draw a line that connects some of them.

EDIT: And all the pyramids by the mayas and atztecs in middle america aren't even on that line.

Edited June 4, 2014 by N_las