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I'm a bit confused. Did you suggest undereducated nation peoples should learn to stop breathing? XD I too have doing a little calculation: 40 man on 40 bikes that each make 40km a day exhaust more C02 than 40 mens sitting in a gaz-powered bus for a 40km travel. An human is not at all a very efficient engine. Give 5L of fuel to a car, it will take our 200kg payload 100km away. How many liters of beer (and other commodities ^^) to how many mens do you need to do the same with only sapiens? Anciens democraties have many slaves for develloping their cities. We have more efficient than slaves eating food: we have engines that eat fuel. I'm in fear that when we run out of fuel for engine, we came back to slaves eating food.

- First: Basic Philosophical books about logics: just to be sure they can understands how we thinks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic - Maths and physics/chemistry books: is what we have done with theses "logics". - Pics and descriptions of plants or animals or stuffs pass and present. Pick especially the pretty ones, and especially the ones that cohabits well with us. Nice flowers and domestic cats or dogs. - Pics and descriptions of all nice stuff we make (just hide thoses bombs and pretends theses torture devices were for sexual purposes) Pick especially the reffineds culturals ones. Some nice musics or songs too. (Voyager golden record is good) It's a good first start.

Should the "Chimera guy" in my previous post got one, or 2 baptism? Answer it! (2 or 1 soul for that guy? )

We are totally rigth, we (as humans) can only transform the energy we take from our environement. I make a big mistake in my previous statement. It's not a very convenient energy source, but as you say, if they can go to our planet, maybe they can just take the sun and go elsewhere with it?

An human can make something like 100kW/year. These aliens will have better time take the oil. That's the most concentrate and convenient energy source on this world, after all. And All is energy.

About "what makes you" things, I find pretty interressing that story: http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/man-failed-paternity-test-because-he-chimera-his-unborn-twin So, this man is a "chimera": a perfect fusion of 2 "fake" twins that make not a siamese, but one viable human. Part of his genome is from one brother, part is from the other. And these 2 genomes don't even have the same blood type! ^^ But naturally, He think he was "one and only" because that's how brain process works! ^^

We are social even with other species. Our ancestors cohabits with cavern bears, and carnivorous wolves. We cohabits well with dogs, cats, and many others domestics animals. (some cohabits "to much" and even have sexual relations or love affairs with animals, for that matter) I bet even an horrific octopus-like alien can find love with some humans ^^.

We have mastered asymmetric warfare too.

Today, engineers don't design car, planes, or rocket ships: theses things already exists. They design and optimize parts of theses things. A the time pass, the parts became smaller and more complex, from the "original design", born decades or centuries ago. That "original design" can have been done by only one man. Before that idea prosper, and became more complex.

Nozomi, a little japanese probe, used that trick: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nozomi_(spacecraft) It still have to burn some fuel. But it certainly was an advantage.

https://what-if.xkcd.com/21/

This is the raw data from Kepler, about ligth obstruction from that star: This is a small personal projection for a third transit: It's growing... And in 1000 years or so: "nothing to see here, folks!" as a billion times before.

For what I found: We have data for 2 transits, separated by 750 days. Kepler has missed a transit in april 2015, due to 2 reaction wheels stuck. (a shame) Next transit expected for may 2017? Hope we have a good telescope in the sky at that moment! You are rigth about the absurd amount of ligth blocked by that "thing"

I have read that the blackout ARE periodical: 750 days between each.

About ressources: from sun and the one and only planet available at that orbit, sure: that explain why it has stopped to grew at a point. Planet available ressources limits the maximal expansion. In that case, the planet orbit, and the plant(s) too, at 750 earth-days for a full orbit. And about why it changes shape every 750 days... hmm... seasons? You could even imagine local/regional seasons in the "plant web", due to lack of ressources or other factors. (competition between tree branches?)

Why, instead of a artificial inert megastructure of an ancien civilization, could'nt it be something like a living giga-structure? A (sort of) giant plant that have grew over is planet, expanding her (sort of) leaves all over his surrounding space? It could explain why it's not an expanding interstellar civilisation, why it's not hidden, and why it has stopped to grew at a point. Is it that improbable? What sort of world would be needed to support that sort of living structure? - A smal world (low gravity to allow giga trees-like structures self-sustained?) - Without atmospher?

An easter egg?

Thanks: I don't know about that "Humanity f*ck Yeah" Thing. Very funny ^^

Thanks. Sorry, I have been hoping for a big old thread with many pics ^^ So, the "close fly by" in Enceladus Geysers is for 28 october, expecting pics of flying shrimp slamming into the cameras for 30 october. http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/finalflybys http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/flybys/enceladus20151028/

Where, please? I haven't found it.

Giving the galactic timeline compared to civ' or species timeline, it's very unlikely the first and only artificial megastructure spotted is actually in construction.

This. NASA has money, a budget, and less budget for NASA mean more budget for others. It's a cruel world, and you use any tool available for your own purposes.

Hmm. I'm not sure. The first evidence they haven't keep expanding is that they aren't installed on solar system. Nor in any other milky way star, or another galaxy. A second evidence of that is the "Great Silence" and total absence of probes, or other alive, past or present signs of that civ' in our immediate surroundings. Thay have started that Dyson swarm, and stopped it. It's not anodyne. This is a "what if" discusion about what it implies for humanity if this is a partial Dyson. I don't think it's that irresponsible. It's intended to help the humanity to make the best next move by undestanding his surroundings.

It's possible, but it's just another type of "great Filter", just a smooth one: In all case, the expansion of that civ' has stopped.

I've assumed this is a remain of a destroyed civ': it's unlikely we have spotted a "in construction" Dyson sphere because galactic timeline. The remain is likely here from 1-2 bilions years. It's dead in the Great Silence and have hit the Great Filter a bit before becoming full type 2 civ. And we are approximately type 1.