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The notion of relativistic mass has fallen out of favor with the physics community. When physicists talk about mass, they are talking about the rest mass. I have a couple of links for you to read up on if you want to find out more, as I have no great knowledge of GR. However, I do know that you cannot just replace the mass from Newtonian Mechanics with the relativistic mass when talking about an objects gravitational field. http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=144817 http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/Relativity/BlackHoles/black_fast.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_in_special_relativity#Transverse_and_longitudinal_mass

Bill: Hey Jeb, I have an issue here. Jeb: What is it? don't tell me the battle destroyers are dead. Bill, nope, in fact quite the contrary...the battle cruiser found the station, alive and kicking. he tried to destroy it, but then realized what it was, so it transferred it's fuel to it and is now providing support. the docking port however was too small so he could not fill the station all the way up, but its a little over half full. Jeb: hm... I guess that means that the shuttle just spontaneously combusted. How are the crew members? Bill: they're fine, a little creeped out that they had been given up for dead., and pretty sad that KASA is unfunded. Jeb: I would think so. How are the other assets? Bill: well we deorbited all the space junk. confirmed crashes and destruction on all assets. Jeb: Including the manned missions, well mission. the spaceplane that was there. what about that? Bill: Well it was deorbited, pilated excelently, stalled on the final approach, and then crashed. Jerney Kerman survived. we've recovered him too! Jeb: great! How have the other plans gone? Bill: well we launched a miner unit into space and it refueled at the mun and then it refueled the station so it is almost full again. Jeb: and the miner? Bill: well the pilot went for a stay in the station, and the vehicle is about to crash into the ocean Jeb: great! see you soon. I need to talk to Philney, then Quin. And finally Bob We have a training run to the moon! ....In the Astronaut complex break room.... Jeb: Hey Bob, we have it confirmed, in 30 days you and I are going to the moon for a test run! Bob: great, why the delay? Jeb: we need to wait for the reusable launch vehicle to be assembled and then we need to wait for our lander and another crew cabin on the station to be put up. Bob: oh... okay then, see you. I have some more simulations to run. .... In the VAB.... Jeb: Hey! Rodney, Quin, and Philney! I need you for a sec! Quin: hey Jeb! whats the matter? Jeb: I want to know how close to a reusable launch system you are? Quin: its coming, just sorting out the staging and how much payload we can put on it. then its going to be ready. Jeb: great. Quin and Rodney, you can go. Philney, I need to tell you that the station has been found. Now we need another crew module and fuel tank with some solar panels. Also, it may be good to actually put some communications on that so we can actually communicate with the station. Phinlney: On it Jeb! and good luck on the mun next munth.

I'll have to talk to Devo.

9/10 Never actualy talk to you

10/10 It feel like age! Hoping you didn't see my little, hum, Rainbow factory talk...

Thanks for the clarifications! I was simply curious why I never saw talk of it on these forums before... that I can recall. ~Steve

Jebanon Kerman - "We prefer to call it a Rapid Unplanned Disassembly upon a High-speed Lithobraking manoeuvre, none of that Crashing talk..."

The only reason it is economically viable in GB is because it's sponsored by the government. It is being supported because there are favorable parties that make huge money that way. Don't fool yourself thinking you're saving the environment or the economy. You're doing exactly the opposite. Energy density of PV in London, with its moody weather is so pathetic it's laughable. London, clouds, rain, high latitude, come on. It's all that matters, actually. While you're thinking about how good PV in northern Europe is, there are factories in China that make it possible, puking out incredible amounts of greenhouse gases and carcinogenic chemicals. There are whole regions so contaminated they represent dystopias from SF novels. But as long as it happens on the other side of the planet, it's ok... Their lack of care is the first thing what makes the panels cheaper, and the second one is domestic governmental financial support. If GB was making its own PVs using environmentally friendly methods, their primary price would be huge, and if no government sponsorship was provided, citizens would not be able to afford them. Even now they're expensive, but with all the changes I've mentioned, they'd stay where they suit the best - space stations, buoys and calculators. When I first saw traffic lights in my town getting PVs, I was facepalming so hard. Someone made a huge money on that while they really could've leave them use the electrical grid. Anyway, talk to the people working in the energetics department, preferably someone without an agenda. I have with several of them and they all laughed when these things were mentioned. First they laugh, then they get serious and frustrated because they're sick of the "green" agenda that's gotten into the politics. Politicians are stupid and greedy. Make up a good story and offer money and you can do almost anything.

Prologue One day as K Emerson was strolling through a museum with his grandfather Jebediah Kerman, they came across an abnormal looking aircraft. “Grandfather†asked the young K, “What was this aircraft known for? I mean why is it in the record setting section of the museum? What was it used for? Who made it? Have you flown it before, Grandpa? And why is my name K Emerson instead of a normal name that ends in Kerman like yours?†The elderly Jeb sharply glances at his grandson in astonishment. “Why are you so inquisitive all of a sudden?†He replies. K looks down in embarrassment, replying “I don’t know Grandpa, I really don’t, just sometimes all sorts of questions pop into my head and they don’t stop bugging me until I find out the answer. Like for instance, were you really the first Kerbal to fly in space, grandpa?†Jeb chuckles quietly before answering. “Yes son, I was the first Kerbal to break the sound barrier, but to answer your question about your name. You will need to cast your mind back to the night you were born.†Chapter 1 “It was a chaotic night in the middle of the war against the Northern Alliance waged by the Elysium Empire and the Styx Empire. All that could be seen, heard and felt was chaos. The KSC had just been bombed and all was in disarray. So your father Lancott Kerman decided to call you K. I am not sure entirely why he insisted that your last name be Emerson, probably because it was close to the word empire. And to answer your questions about this airplane, we have to go further back to when Kerbal Space Program was not that much older then you are now. I want you to close your eyes and listen carefully as I tell you the story.†“Way back when the space program was young and inexperienced, I was a test pilot for it. There were many tragic deaths and I lost more than one close friend. Some crashed and died instantly, others died of injuries from crashing and a few of them vanished completely without a trace! Thankfully my closest and dearest friends Bill and Bob made it through in one piece. Bill managed to end up in charge of the recruitment center, and Bob ended up in charge of the operations center. Any way I digress, after a while I had managed to build up the reputation of an indestructible, unflappable and the entire best test pilot in the program. After awhile of testing, there was a ship that took the lives of several Kerbal’s who panicked and did the wrong thing. So I was picked as the next test pilot by a jealous boss who wanted to see me out of the picture, so to speak. My boss was sure that this would be the time I panicked and lost my cool. He was sure that I would not return. The test objectives were to analyze the handling characteristics and what it could do over all. The aircraft had been named by an engineer who walked in a group who were trying to name it and said “frak†when he saw the imposing aircraft. The next day as I sat on the runway in FRAK-1 as the aircraft had been named. I felt an overwhelming urge to do some crazy things, but I barely squelched that urge when I remembered what my boss said right as I was leaving his office. “Remember, you might not make it back alive.†Then with a determined look on my face, I started up the engines and called the tower and requested clearance to taxi to the runway and take off. After I received clearance, I throttled the two engines and reached my taxi speed of 20 m/s. As I neared the runway I pulled back the control stick to ease the bump of entering the runway. And too my surprise, the aircraft nearly took off on its own. I then activated the onboard flight recorder and made note of that fact. As I positioned myself on the runway in preparation to take off, I called the tower and received clearance to head up into the truly wild blue yonder. ATC: *static* permission is granted to ascend to 5 clicks up, over *static* FRAK-1: Willco ATC: Please report your velocity when you reach 5 clicks, ATC out. When I neared five clicks, I glanced at my speedometer, after a second or two; I looked back at the speedometer in disbelief. It was reading just over 350 m/s! FRAK-1: ATC, my speedometer is reading just over 350 m/s, can telemetry confirm? The disbelief was evident in my voice. ATC: FRAK-1, this is the ATC, yes we can confirm that your velocity is over 350 m/s. requesting that you head up and see how high and fast you can go. FRAK-1: Willco ATC: Understood FRAK-1, good luck. FRAK-1: Understood tower, talk to you when I get back into comm. range. Then I hauled back on the stick and put FRAK-1 into a 65 to 70 degree climb and as I neared 25,000 meters one of my engines flamed out and she started to spin. So I shut down the engines and coasted up to my apoapsis while trying to keep the aircraft entering a spin. When I felt my stomach start to rise, I risked a glance at my altimeter and gaped at it in shock when I realized it read just over 105 km in altitude.

In response to post #210 The problem does sound very similar to grandfather paradox.. which would be a huge problem. However wouldn't one simple solution be to make other player's ships/assets non-interactive while they are logged out. Later on in this thread they talk about permissions as well, which would help mitigate this. If you as player B choose to catch up and ram player As ship, that may be a problem. However I'm sure that the server stores player As final coordinates on sign out, so it would simply ignore the vehicles' history. You could ram other players all day long and the only one losing ships would be you. However you can still allow full interaction by allowing two logged in players to interact with each others' assets/ships. A potential problems? how will these be handled? A Troll logs onto the server, proceeds to timewarp at maximum for say 9 hrs real time. Troll logs off. Player gets disconnected while warping/on planetary transfer. I have an idea for this, allow players to 'log their position' sort of like an F5 in single player. This gets updated if they logout, but if disconnected the server leaves them at their last 'log position'.

Well, Jeb is releasing stress, so he couldn't talk?

Actually you're right about the source, I was thinking about hydro when I wrote that. Not many places can utilize it, though. There are some areas where the difference is sufficient. Yes, base load. I don't agree about the price. They're extremely expensive and take a great deal of time before they pay off even in the Mediterranean countries, for example. To use them in places like London would be close to a financial black hole. They're perfect when you have no connection to the grid, like if you have a small house by the lake in the middle of nowhere, but if you want a refrigerator and a TV and all other stuff, it won't work if you don't buy a lot of panels and batteries (which are so enviromentally friendly...). The energy put into making a panel is just terrible, as well as pollution it produces during the manufacture. Per kWh, of course. I doubt it will become that undesireable while we're still alive. In the end, money makes the world go around. When people talk about PVs, they use the latest breakthroughs. In real world, commercially available panels are much less efficient and not well made. They rarely reach their theoretical lifetime. Given the fact they're often installed in places without much insolation, cases where they actually produce enough energy to actually pay themselves off in the means of kWh are more often than we'd like to think. Solar thermal power is a much better option and pays off in the terms of money and energy in few years in places with high insolation. PVs are always worse than solar thermal. That's misleading. The fact it runs the biosphere doesn't mean it's suitable for humanity. We have much greater needs, and we need dense energy. It would be similar to saying the Pacific ocean contains more thermal energy than the entire year comsumption of USA and Russia. It does, but the distribution is very high so the density is very low.

It works, you need to download the power point presentation and then play the mp3 talk.

I gave up my job after three years having relocated twice, lost all my friends and had relationships fall apart because... Well, I don't know. I thought about making KSP videos for a while, but I can't commentate worth a damn and my video editing is distinctly average. I've got nowhere to go and no-one to talk to about a career, (I was an archaeologist before) I'm quite sick of people, what can I do with as little human interaction as possible? Any ideas?

There is mod, that will allow you to see other connected people on map, talk to them via chat, share screenshots with them by press of a single button and even share crafts with them. Although, there is no mod that would allow you to see them in real world, dock together and other kind of stuff. Link to plugin: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/24926-0-21-Kerbal-LiveFeed-Passive-Multiplayer-Plugin-Client-Server-v0-7-1

Tower: "Intakes?" Bill: "Check." Tower: "Tailplane?" Bill: "Check, tailgear lookin' good." Tower: "Engines?" Bill: "Check, gimbals in line." Bill: "I'm climbing back into the cockpit now, Tower." Tower: "We read you, switch to cockpit radio. Radio name V-K, Victor Kilo." Bob: "Copy that Tower. Radio switched, engines spooling up, brakes on." Tower: "Victor Kilo, you're good for takeoff. Are your passengers secure?" Jeb: "Yup, they're buckling up in the back right now, actually." Tower: "Well, you're good. MET starting now. Don't be late for dinner!" Bob: "Tower, we've cleared the groundspace. Altitude 150 meters and rising." Tower: "We copy you Victor-Kilo, we have a visual on you out the window." Jeb: "Bob, switch to intercom. I want to talk to our guests." Bill: "Jeb... This is their first flight in the Komet you know?" Jeb: "Aah, the Vomit Komet. V-K. How could we live without you?" Bob: "Tower, we're turning on the INCOM. You might hear our guests in the background." Tower: "Copy that Victor-Kilo. You are cleared out of KSC, proceed to the Desert Island Marker. You're cleared for up to four cycles until you pass the Marker. Also, remember that the crew in the back are going to be the candidates for the first Kerbal in space. Don't harm them." Jeb: "Don't worry. I'll personally make sure of that." Bill: "Yeah, right..." ???: "You know we can still hear you, right?" Jeb: "Uh, yeah, of course we knew that, uh-" Harbas: "Harbas. Alongside Wilnie and Elby." Wilnie: "That's me!" Elby: "And me!" Jeb: "Yes, we knew that, er, Harbas, Wilnie and Elby." Harbas: "Thank you. Also, why are we going up, it's quite the strain on the seats and harnesses." In the cockpit, Jeb looks to Bob. He turns his head and asks, "Can we?" Bob: "Oh, all right. Tower, we're starting the first cycle." Tower: "Copy that, Victor-Kilo. Logging first cycle at 2:31 MET." Bob then pressed a button on his console, activating Jeb's control yoke, and flipped a switch, disabling the autopilot. Jeb then pushed down on his yoke and he plane was sent into a deep dive. Jeb: "Hold onto your lunch!" Harbas: "Huh, what do you mean? Oh. This is the Vomit Komit, isn't it. I heard a lot abou-":HURRRK: Elby: "Oh, don't be silly. You know that only a small percentage of passengers get nau-" :BLORRGCH: Wilnie: "Ooh! This is zero-gravity! It's so cool! I wish we could do this every da-" :GLOORKCH: *wipes mouth* "Errk, on the other hand, maybe not.." Elby: "Gah! I hate that bit!" Harbas: "You've done this before?" Elby: "For the tests... For my role as science officer, of course..." Back in the cockpit, Bob turned off Jeb's controls and reactivated the autopilot. Meanwhile, Bill chucked up into a little disposable baggie that he then threw out of the window. It survived the landing in the water intact went on to be ingested by a certain barracuda that was later caught by a certain Danbree Kerman, who won the Booster Bay Fishing Competition for it, and used the fame from the prize-winning catch to enter a prestigious university, and then became mayor of his hometown and married his childhood sweetheart. But that's not relevant and so we shall go back to the Vomit Komet. Jeb: "Aww, but that was fun!" Bob: "No, Jeb, we're handing it back to the autopilot. It can do this better." Jeb: :sigh: Wilnie: "Here we go again..." Elby: "OKAY! I give up! Get us outta here!" :puke: Bob: "Oh, okay. Tower, we're turning around. Also, we're practicing the emergency landing." Tower: "Copy that Victor-Kilo. You're cleared through to the landing. Tell the boys to hold on tight!" Harbas: "Whew, we're finally getting off- wait, why did you stop the engines?!?" Jeb: "Tut tut tut Harbas, don't question the pilots." Harbas: "But the engines..." :WHUMP: Elby: "Gah! A little warning next time!?!" :KRASH: Jeb: "Well, you know what they say, any crash you can walk away from," Jeb: "Wasn't hard enough!" Bob: "Tower, we're going to need the bus to pick us up. Also, get the janitors in, we've got a bit-" *Sound of Elby puking, whatever it is. I think it's Splorrkch or Bluurggthk or something like that.* Bob: "-Can that, a lot of a mess in the back. And don't forget the air fresheners!"

Everything can be boiled down to greed, maybe with some hate on the side but mainly greed. Be it for power or resources greed drives nearly every real problem facing mankind today. You talk about the poor and the sick and the hungry? All of those things could easily be fixed if everyone cared more about each other than they do themselves. I have met some people who would help others but most that would have at one time have been hurt too many times too try anymore. On the other end I have met people who would pay any price in other people to gain the tiniest boon, sell mother into slavery for a nice car?

Damn I thought Kragathea had returned(you should talk to them about that)

I can not talk about it objectively... my main computer has 32 Gb RAM:) there is a way to find out how much memory used by model in the game?

oh ok, I wasn't aware someone was working on our pack besides me and Sirkut. Might want to talk to Sirkut about the GUI, is he also aware you are playing with his code at the same time he is working on it?

So after a little while of playing KSP (Steam tells me lies about it being most of a thousand hours - Don't believe them, it's been like 20 minutes, I remember every second) and some not insignificant use of mods I have visited every astral body in the Kerbal system. Many brave Kerbals have given their lives to this achievement although reporters are touting that "The CEO of JonzCo is a true Kerbanitarian for the many brave rescues that have taken place under his caring leadership". As always there is another side to the story and some of the tabloids have printed headlines like "JonzCo sends 8 separate unmanned missions to save one crew member; How much is a single kerbal life actually worth". Some enviroactivists have suggested that the environmental impact of the current JonzCo space program may in fact require Kerbal kind to move to other planets however JonzCo representatives assure us that all of these things are unrelated and, "given the abundance of industry in the concrete jungle that we call Kerban, any chemical or fallout pollution would be impossible to trace directly back to KSP or JonzCo" So that's that. All done. What next? No wife, no kids, my friends don't visit any more and my flat is little more than a command pod shaped hole in walls of takeout containers... Do I shower? Should I find someone to talk at? Mayybe I could shave and cut my hair - change my clothes, hey in fact I'm going to get dressed, out of my pajamas!

sorry, i meant don't bring gas core reactors into the discussion about making things 'in line' thats all, not suggesting not to include them. ANd yes, i've made a big spreadsheet with all your default values and such so I could play with them and bring them 'in line' in my game, so well aware of your values for core temp, etc. In any case, to the point of balancing, lets talk power generation too: If you alter the masses slightly (particularly of the jet mass) then i agree, in order to bring the 1.25 reactor + jet in your mod up to LV-N stock values, you need to increase the thermal power output by 10. Specifcally , if you made (this would be so much easier if I knew how to post a spreadsheet) the 1.25 part Reactor mass = 2, Jet mass = .25, and the thermal power 10x greater (move it from 25 to 250) then your NTR is directly in line with stock- you get a total mass of 2.25, a thrust of 55.7, and a T/M ratio of 24 (its T/w ratio is slightly worse than stock, but its ISP is better - its pretty close in any case). in general, across the board, if you modify jet mass per my previous post, and up the thermal power by about a factor of 10, everything lines up with stock for solid core reactors (and you can do the same with gas core to keep them in line). Which leaves you with your issue about generator power. the 3.5 meter reactor is producing 45GW. All I can say is this is essentially irreconcilable if you use 'our universe' values. I mean Kerbin has a density of tungsten and Kerbal is a yellow star thats about the size of Earth. Nothing in this universe lines up exactly with our values. If you want your NTR reactors to be comparable with stock, you need to address this somehow. Or you could hide the factor of 10 in a conversion from thermal power to thrust. Basically you need to use a different constant than what we use for our universe's constants. One last option would be to leave all the thrust values alone but make everything weigh 10 times less (but then people would need to put 10 reactors on a vessel to achieve the same thrust) - so you become a part hog. I dont' know what to tell you, other than I love what you are doing with your mod, but I'm going to use thermal powers that put the reactor in line with LV-N so I can play with your mod in a way thats compatible w/ stock. Seperate question: Whats your rationale for the values you use in your core temperatures of the AM reactors - why did you choose to make AM reactors have core temperatures that scale with size? I thought that was a wierd choice, because ISP is wildly dpendent on size as a result, rather than thrust. Since I was moding your stuff anyway, I altered those values so that the core temps of AM reactors were consistant, but reduced the thermal power to keep thrusts and weights 'reasonable' (if such a thing as reasonable exists for AM reactor outputs - honestly, my values are probably way to low). Just curious. -seyv PS - if somone could tell me the best way to link a spreadsheet, I could have a better time explaining some of these suggestions.

There was talk a little while back of a small town scale generator that'd get buried under a public building, encased in concrete. It'd have worked pretty much squarely in between a conventional reactor and an RTG, using a core with no moving parts but with a steam generator instead of a thermoelectric one, getting round the inefficiency.

I like your I like your female and family angle--most other tales principally concern fuel, steel, and testosterone--and I want to see you do it justice. Some recommended rules: --Put adverbs before verbs just as you put adjectives before nouns --Lists of any kind are are always x, y, ... and z --Ground your dialogue by surrounding it with descriptive language --Be more specific where possible to increase clarity --Show, don't tell, especially regarding emotion Below is a passage of your writing to which I have applied these rules: ---- Gerselle bent down and kissed the top of Joenie’s head. The kerblet sleepily rolled over, still clutching a stone in her small, pudgy, green fist, “Ummy, ‘one.†Gerselle smiled, “Yes beautiful girl – I can see you’ve still got your stone. Just you hold on to it, and you’ll still have it in the morning," and pulled the cover over Joenie, smiling as her daughter’s eyelids struggled to stay open. Gerselle quietly waited until Joenie’s eyes closed and breathing slowed; sure that her little one was asleep she kissed her forehead, turned away, and tiptoed out of the sleep room. Meleny was waiting for Gerselle on the porch in a chair, “Both asleep?â€Â. Gerselle nodded. Meleny softly chuckled, “As they should. I’ve never seen another pair get into so many places that it shouldn't. We’ll hardly keep up in a month or two.†Gerselle sank into a chair beside Meleny with a groan. “Another month or two? I can't keep up with her now, and she’s only barely walking! Although your Adbas seems to manage just fine.†Meleny laughed, then answered, “The trick with Adbas is to keep him distracted: he keeps still when playing with something new," she sighed, "at least for half a minute.†Gerselle rested her cheek on the heel of her hand and her elbow on the arm of the seat and sighed, “I should have married a geologist instead of a keeper: at least he'd provide a steady stream of new stones.†She continued with a sigh, “Speaking of keepers... I should go. Joenie will probably sleep through the night, but the quicker I get back, the better.†Meleny shook her head in mock seriousness, “Well I'm just as happy that you married a keeper. I don’t want to even think about the chaos that those inquisitive little hands could wreak with Daddy’s rock hammer.†Gerselle gazed at Meleny. A moment passed, and both Kerbals exhaled, sinking into their seats. Gerselle shrugged and rose to their feet. Meleny rose with her and with eyebrows peaked and smile spread wide walked to her and pulled her close. Gerselle whispered, “Thank you so much for looking after her tonight. I’ll really need your help in the next few months.†Meleny pulled her head back and looked at her curiously. “How much time does a growing Kerm actually need?†Gerselle rested her forehead against Meleny's, “I have no idea, and the Records aren’t much help either." She swallowed, eyes misty, "They give plenty of advice about how to talk to your Kerm, but when? How often? How much care do they need? I, I have no idea.†Meleny chuckled and pulled Gerselle close again, putting her warm hand on the back of her head. “So, like parenting books then, huh? Lots of detail but none for your own little bundle of joy.†Gerselle blinked and wryly nodded, “Probably. I hope that Kerms are like kerblets in needing less attention as they grow up," she added with a smile, "As far as I know, they can feed themselves too and don’t need cleaning – or at least I hope they don’t!†“Feeding and bathing a Kerm," Meleny laughed, "I wouldn’t know where to start.†Gerselle gave Meleny a squeeze and then gently pulled away, “I think I’m about to find out. Peaceful night Meleny.†Meleny answered, “Peaceful night, Gerselle" and watched Gerselle wordlessly walk to the village. Caring for and feeding kerblets is one thing; the care and… feeding... Kerm is quite another. “Good luck Gerselle," she whispered, “Good luck.†---- I would have added even more detail, but I skipped to the last entry because I am mostly interested in the beauty of language rather than the particular story. Consider me a roving copy editor. Consider rendering the emotional bonds and difficulties thereof in even greater scope and detail to ground Kerbalkind in hearth and home. I also recommend rewriting your first chapter lest readers misjudge the rest of your work. I rewrote your introductory sentence / invocation of the muse below: ---- Long before our blazing rockets roared up through the sky; long before intrepid rovers told geniuses, "For why?"; long before each probe core beeped in hopes that it would fly was a group of friends who in their slumber dreamed of orbits high. ---- To write something that is classically 'beautiful' (in your case, your introduction) write poetry: choose a rhythm and rhyme scheme and finagle with the language until your message is clear. You'll soon like the discipline and poetic license that you thereby gain--just remember to eventually write prose again! -Duxwing P.S. I hope that I've helped without seeming too arrogant.