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11 hours ago, StrandedonEarth said:

It threw me off a little when I realized it didn’t have a numpad

In the absolute worst case you could get a USB numpad.

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Hey everyone, the last few weeks I've been looking and trying to figure out how to make a PC for KSP use,

i7 6700k CPU

32gb RAM - for Mods

SSD

GPU - not a priority

my only problem is I have no idea what motherboard to use, I've looked into the Asus z170 atx DDR4, but it's out of market and out of production, anyone have any suggestion on a good motherboard for ksp n i7 6700k, I assume I need a motherboard that allows overclocking? Please help me, finding a motherboard is my only problem now, I'm basically ready to buy the parts 

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Welcome to out forum, @AlexF0901. :D This is such a common kind of question that we have a thread for them, and your post has been moved to it. 

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7 hours ago, AlexF0901 said:

i7 6700k CPU

Why the old CPU? Of course you're running into problems when trying to build a PC with completely outdated equipment. If you already bought the CPU you should look for a Z270 board and if you didn't already buy it look for an i5 9600k with a z390 board instead.

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On 8/26/2019 at 10:51 PM, Harry Rhodan said:

this card finally came out on newegg and its $700+. ouch. i can get a full 2080 and save $50 which opens a new can of worms.

there is no way in hell one of those 2080s is going to fit into my elite 110 (unless i replace the entire front panel with one of my own design). so a new case is required, my only requirement is that it is smaller, so it has to beat 15 liters and i want at least 2 fans in it. the elite 110 had this issue and i just ended up cutting a hole in the cover to accept a 92mm low profile fan. the silverstone sg13b has a similar configuration while shaving off a few liters, and i think i might be able to do the same second fan hack on it. there are also these newer sandwich style cases, which mount the gpu behind the mobo tray via a pcie extension cable. problem is its not an accepted form factor and most of the cases in this configuration are expensive because they were crowdfunded low run cases, and they are not always available. the thought of spending $200+ on a case leaves a sour taste in my mouth. but i really like the configuration. theres also the side by side configuration that horizontally mounts the graphics card with an l-bracket, though zero room for case fans, and not entirely cat proof if i use the vertical stand config, under monitor maybe.

there is also the issue of my 650w sfx supply might not be powerful enough to power it. but corsair now has a 750w sfx supply if i have power problems. 

now my sub $600 upgrade is up to $800, possibly $900+ and i haven't even looked at fans yet.i might be able to cut corners with a factory refurb card. any other ideas to cut costs?

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5 hours ago, Nuke said:

any other ideas to cut costs?

Apart from going with a 2060 Super instead I would either wait or look for another vendor because in Germany that card only costs about 530€ including VAT.

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1 hour ago, Harry Rhodan said:

Apart from going with a 2060 Super instead I would either wait or look for another vendor because in Germany that card only costs about 530€ including VAT.

ok, found it in a couple places for under $500. might stick with my original plan after all.

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so anyone think the 2080 is worth it over the 2070 super. were talking 23% more expensive for 7% more performance. anyone have any experience with factory refurb units?

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Dont forget that it also has a bigger power draw resulting in more heat. This is allready a challenge in small cases, so i would recommend to go with the smaller option.

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2 hours ago, Elthy said:

Dont forget that it also has a bigger power draw resulting in more heat. This is allready a challenge in small cases, so i would recommend to go with the smaller option.

thats what they said about my cpu, but it can run a full 2-hour photogrammetry job on all 12 threads at 4+ ghz without breaking a sweat. of course im concerned that my 2 year old sfx 650w will crap out on me, thats another $180 for the 750w model, not to mention new case and high performance fans.

i thought the sandwich cases would be a solution but they have problems.

1. they are made by people with more money than brains. i dont need anodized cnc aluminium construction. as cool as it looks, totally unaffordable where stamped aluminium stock would have been fine. $200 is way to much to spend on a case the size of a shoebox. 

2. i watched some videos and people were saying they had to undervolt things to keep it cool. idk if i want to get into that. and id hate to see my cpu throttle on them photogrammetry jobs.

3. if the idea was good the major case companies would be jumping on board. but maybe only a couple lesser known case manufacturers are putting them out. most of the ones out there come from crowdfunding campaigns and who knows what their engineering credentials are. 

so in the end i think im going with the 2070 super. money i save can go into an ssd upgrade. replace that old sata m.2 drive with a 1tb pcie nvme stick. also contemplating some case mods for my elite 110. mainly modding the bezel to get rid of the coolermaster logo button so i can externally mount the 140mm fan, which would get upgraded to a high performance noctua. this will make room for another 92mm fan on the right side panel. dremel out the interior grill on the forward bulkhead to improve airflow. convert the drive rail to support a couple 80mm fans (maybe, not sure about the clearance up there), and 3d print some ductwork for the gpu and psu. possibly switch to a negative pressure configuration. this would pull in most of the air from the left side grill near the gpu and some from the upper grill and whatever vents are in the back venting forward and right. maybe an internal airflow diverter to make sure the cool air reaches the cryorig c7cu while avoiding the dead zone on the right of the psu and another to make sure the big 140 draws air from the bottom of case rather than directly off the upper vents.

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I dont think you need a new PSU for a 2070S and an uspecified 6 core CPU, even if thats an old overclocked Sandy-Bridge-E or similar you are still not realy straining the PSU, except its some cheap chinesium mainly filled with concrete instead of components.

Im currently planning a new PC in a small case, too. I will go for the Phanteks Evolve Shift Air, an R5 3600 and keep my RX 480. Will be interesting to see the thermals on that, the "Air" variant should have plenty of airflow with those large mesh surfaces.

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5 hours ago, Elthy said:

I dont think you need a new PSU for a 2070S and an uspecified 6 core CPU, even if thats an old overclocked Sandy-Bridge-E or similar you are still not realy straining the PSU, except its some cheap chinesium mainly filled with concrete instead of components.

Im currently planning a new PC in a small case, too. I will go for the Phanteks Evolve Shift Air, an R5 3600 and keep my RX 480. Will be interesting to see the thermals on that, the "Air" variant should have plenty of airflow with those large mesh surfaces.

the calculators i used said i could go with the full 2080 and only get up to 500w. but this supply is a couple years old and it might not have the same performance as whats on the label. id even call it the most reliable power supply ive ever used. makes me wonder why people still use full atx psus on their builds. unless you need something insane like 1kw or more.

as for the cpu its an 8086k. pretty much an 8700k with a 4ghz base clock.

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I've got about $50 to spend on a new video card.  It ain't much, but times is tight.

I'm running KSP 1.7.3 with Ubuntu 18.04 64-bit on an Intel® Core™ i5-4690 CPU @ 3.50GHz × 4 with Intel® Haswell Desktop graphics and 7.5GiB (8GB) of RAM.  I'm posting here because I use about a dozen or so mods.  Even with a pure, clean install Duna bogs my system down awful at half resolution graphics, anti-aliasing turned off, and terrain scatter off.  What I mean is that I visited Duna and even from orbit whenever the planet is within view my framerate tanks and the game freezes for a few seconds at a time.  It doesn't do that with Kerbin, Mun, or Minmus.  It does it minimally with Ike.  Haven't gotten to the other planets yet.  I had installed EVE and a skybox, but had to take them both back off again.  And I can't watch the ground during a Kerbin launch if I have more than about ten or fifteen parts.

So, am I better off waiting (a long time, I suspect) for a lot more money, or is there a card out there which will meet my low budget and actually bring some improvement?  Nvidia works better with Linux, generally, so I was looking at this: GeForce GT 710 2GB.  But I don't know.

Any suggestions?

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@Barefoot Friar, I've merged your thread into our master thread for this sort of thing.

As far as I'm aware, yes, you're better off with Nvidia on Linux.

If I were in your shoes, I would get the best used GPU I could for the budget.  I wouldn't go with that GT 710.  I would go to eBay.  There are GTX 1050Tis on there for under $50.  If you're patient, you may even be able to swing a 3GB 1060 for that price.  Just make sure it's a reputable seller before you buy.  A lot of scams out there.

Virtually any GPU will be an improvement, and you don't need to go too high.  KSP isn't a GPU dependent game.  Having one helps, but it's more that you have one than what it is.  I saw no real difference in KSP going from a GTX 1050Ti to a GTX 1070Ti.

This of course is dependent on if your power supply can handle it.

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Oh, and make sure whatever you try to get is branded.  EVGA, Gigabyte, Zotax, MSI, etc.  You really don't want to deal with the unbranded cards from China.  If you find something you like, it would be a good idea to ask here first before bidding/buying.

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On 10/11/2019 at 8:22 PM, Barefoot Friar said:

so I was looking at this: GeForce GT 710 2GB.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-HD-4400-Desktop-115-GHz-vs-Nvidia-GeForce-GT-710/m8064vsm77649

No. Just no. Like Geonovast said, a used 1050 Ti (with or without additional power supply based on what your PSU is capable of) would most likely be the best option. A 1030 would also be ... well not good, but better than the 710.

In the last few years AMD really supported the opens source drivers for Linux while you still need the proprietary blob for Nvidia. You could also try looking for a used RX 470/570 if your'e willing to take the risk.

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Welcome to the forum and the game @Slimepirate,

I've moved your question here because we have this specific thread where our technically proficient members give excellent computer build advice for KSP.

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8 hours ago, Slimepirate said:

What PC would you recommend to a new gamer and player of KSP

Well that depends on what you're expecting the machine to do and how much you're willing to spend. I would guess a build around a Ryzen 5 3600 wouldn't be a bad choice for a good allrounder.

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