[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

I have a problem with the srbs, you can not make them akin to life.

Specifically the space shuttle srb, if I make one of real size

Damn, I thought I'd fixed this. Are you using Real Fuels and the Procedural Parts RSS patch?

[Kerbin Cup Unofficial Team Entries - On hold]

I use the forums and reddit pretty much equally, so if anyone wants a somewhat less patriotic team member, I'm in!

[Devnote Tuesdays: The Info-Packed Edition]

Could that golden kerbal be for an upcoming deep space probe? There was one launched no too long ago that had some lego figures on it.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

Does the heat shield part REQUIRE DRE? If so can this dependency be disabled? I like equipping my re-entry capsules with heat shields but don't use DRE.

Currently, yup. It's set to only be visible if you have DRE installed. However, you can change this by removing ':NEEDS[DeadlyReentry]' from the very first line of the heat shield cfg file.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

A bit of further testing on a different computer with another fresh install showed the same problem. The test rocket consisted of a PPSRM kick stage under the fairing, a kerlox stage under that, a large PPSRM under that, and another kerlox stage under that

It took me far too long to realise that SRM meant Solid Rocket Motor. Do you use MJ for your SRM launchers? It doesn't seem to like mine at all, as it constantly stages them at the wrong time, or does weird things when my orbit gets close to my desired apoapsis.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

Sry, but I don't understand. Should we keep the different versions of KSPAPIExtensions.dll in their respective mod folder (the folder belonging to the mod they came with in the first place), or should we delete every version but the latest? Or should we do something else?

Just put them wherever the mods in question suggest and leave them there. If there are any problems, it's most likely a problem from a different mod.

Edit: Oh and is it possible to have the SRB nozzle diameter scale with SRB diameter like it does in stretchy tanks, instead of with thrust as it does now?

Scaling with thrust is logical, as that's how SRBs work IRL, in that the narrowest point of the nozzle affects the exhaust velocity. It might be possible to revert it without a code rewrite, but I doubt it.

Also, is anyone else experiencing a bug where you can't revert to launch/VAB or go to the space center from a vessel with this mod?

Not that I know of. Are you sure it's PP related? If so, output logs and such from when you attempt to leave the flight scene would be helpful.

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that's weird: in real life, it's the design/testing/building cost + propellant which is a lot more high than the launching one, so the game will allow players to build things they can't launch ! Typically Harvester I might say ! (or "shoot first, ask question later")

I see your point here, but you also have to think about how easy this is to implement in game, as well as how easy it would be for new players to pick up on. I suspect that with budgets implemented, researching parts may also come with a cost, as there is already a non-science 'cost' for researching each tech node.

With on screen info, I personally think the current way is pretty good. While I couldn't play KSP without MJ data readouts, had they all been there when I booted up the game the first time, I would have just given up in confusion. This game already has a very steep learning curve, and i don't think squad wants to make it any steeper.

[Mod bundler for "Real Solar System" (DEFUNCT)]

is it stil working ?

Theoretically, yes it still works, however, it's manifest hasn't been updated in about a month, so depending on where they've been hosted and how much they've been updated, some mods will work fine, some mods will download old versions, and some mods won't work at all.

I'm in the process of updating it, but I've been fairly busy recently, so it might be a little while. If all goes to plan, it'll be ready by the scheduled forum downtime, and then I'll test it over those few days and then start a new thread once the forums are back up.

However, I'll only be updating the manifest files, any work needing to be done to the bundler itself will probably not happen, or at least not for a while.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

It is the batteries I am looking for. Would somebody please post an example of what it should look like?

Sorry, my instructions probably weren't the clearest. I'll get to it in a few hours.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

Your download includes a MM 2.4.4 DLL but 2.1.4 is the latest released version? Was this a mistake?

Nope. Swamp_ig is actually a time traveller, he sometimes forgets how primitive our technology is.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

Would you or anybody else care to share these? They seem to be out there but I couldn't seem locate them on this forum.

Procedural batteries are easy. Just copy the rcs tank and replace Monoprop with electric charge, though you may want to play around with the density figures. Procedural KAS containers are harder, as they're a module rather than a resource. Will look into it though.

Procedural kerbal is still in the works....

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

And, could the nodes in the PP tanks scale up within the tank?

They should scale properly. Are you sure its node size thats causing instability?

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

In case anyone wants to change their TAC Life Support units to the SI ones that CoolBeer did on this post, here is a MM config file to fix them for the Procedural Life Support tank. I tested it in a simple manner, so use at your own risk.

Thanks. I suppose I'll have to make one for when RO starts supporting TAC.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

I hate to be complaining all the time, since this mod is really indispensable to me...

It's not complaining when you post such useful bug reports. Plus if you didn't someone else would.

PP 0.9.10 is still incompatible with Procedural Fairings 3.01. The stack nodes appear to work when I'm building the rocket, but parts are embedded into each other when the vehicle is launched, or when loading a saved vehicle in the VAB. I made certain to test with freshly downloaded versions of both mods immediately before posting this.

Does this only occur with PF parts? Because a lot of people seem to be having general attachment node problems, which I suspect is a PP problem, not a multiple KSPAPIExtentions problem. Either way, swamp_ig is working on fixing both at the moment, as well as better RF integration for SRBs.

In the interim, try playing around with deleting/reinstalling KSPAPIExtensions from either mod and let us know if that helps. Also if you could look through your log files and see if there are any blatant errors in there, that would be great.

How did you get it to work, mine isn't working either ?

I assume he either did a clean install of the game/mod or just rebooted KSP.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

Just downloaded the pack and installed it (put the folder in GameData and the .dll file in plugins). I don't see any new parts. What am I supposed to see? How to use this pack? Is there a tutorial for it?

You should just copy the procedural parts folder into gamedata and leave it there. As is explained in the first post, if you right-click on the tank, a list of options for customising it will appear. From then on its very self explanatory.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

oh and just as a note to the original problem as well, after a reboot the load vessel dialogue box wouldnt open on click in the VAB until i deleted the saved craft file that was giving problems in the first place

Very odd. Hopefully redownloading will fix it. Otherwise this'll require some looking into. It sounds like the game is only loading certain sections of each part, which makes no sense.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

hey swamp, there may be something up with the tech limiting code...

Is this a result of updating to 0.9.10? If so, download it again and see if the issue returns.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

How come RFTank0Switchable isn't in 0.9.10? It works pretty well with the RealFuels DLL you posted along with it.

I suspect it's because NathanKell has accepted swamp_ig's merge into Real Fuels, and when RF gets updated to include that, PP will update to 1.0 with RFTank0Switchable.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

yay/nay on b9 integration? :| (look above)

Sorry, was getting to that. Currently, the only tank shapes you can get are ones that have circular cross sections, eg cones, cylinders, spheres. When swamp_ig starts working on extruded shapes, then we can have all sorts of magical procedural parts.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

I notice that the procedural heat shields have the same mass no matter how much or little ablative surface you select. I would think that the bulk of the mass of a heat shield is the ablation, and that cranking that down would lower the mass?

They have the same 'dry' mass no matter how much ablative shielding you have, which is the same as the normal DRE heatshields. Without shielding, it should weigh 0.2t, then add on 1t for every 1000 units of ablative shielding.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

The launchpad tank which is supposed to hold metal seems to hold food instead. Easy fix, but just wanted to let you know.

Hah. Sorry. That was a result of me copying the config from the TAC tank. Will be fixed in the next release.

Then again, we don't actually know what kerbals eat. Their so called 'snacks' could be metal scraps.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

I'm quite busy at the moment, but if your willing to do some of the work, I'll make a config for you. Just fill out this (https://github.com/Swamp-Ig/ProceduralParts/blob/master/Source/CalcsAndModels/ModTanks.xlsx) spreadsheet with ECLSS data, and it'll be really easy to make one. PM me if you have any questions.

If anyone else has a mcod they want me to add, feel free to do the same thing.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

hey just change the part CFG to ablative sheilding not to hard hope this helps

Change which part? The heatshield? If so, it already has it, although it currently scales with volume rather than surface area. And helps with what?

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

Well you see I'm still juggling between this and stretchy, I've tried both but I regularly check this for updates until I find the benefits outweigh those of strechy's. I just figured it'd be a little faster easier if those updates/changes were displaced on OP

Ah. Well in that case I understand. Bias as I may be, I think theres only one reason to use stretchy over this, and thats if you can't live without keyboard resizing. Otherwise, this has everything that stretchy has, plus more stuff, such as heatshields, mod tanks and tweakables.

[[0.90WIP] Procedural Parts - Parts the way you want 'em 0.9.21, Dec 19]

Hey, creator/maintainer could you post the changelogs on the OP?

They've been pretty well documented on each release throughout the thread, but I suppose they ought to be brought together into a changelog. I'm happy to do it, or nag swamp_ig to do it, but either way we'll probably wait until the 1.0 release (coming soon...) and then start maintaining them for future versions.

Do you need/want them for something? I probably remember what's happened in all the different versions.