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[quote name='ScriptKitt3h']Working on my first large-scale replica for 1.0.5, the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. [URL]http://i.imgur.com/cBtHen5.png[/URL] It handles quite well, save for the fact that once the airspeed drops below 80-100 m/s it starts refusing to pull up/flare, so landings have not occurred thus far.[/QUOTE] Your lack of pitch authority comes from the choice of elevators - these have a ridiculously low deflection area. You will be much better off using the Tailfin or something similar (also, the real F-16 has that kind of fully pivotable elevator as well if I recall correctly).

There is a reason, of course. Imagine what happens if 5+ positives and 5+ negatives clash. Some people respond fast, some people respond slower. Numbers get mixed up hard. Some people try to edit their numbers really fast after making a mistake (don't do that). Chaos ensues. People call for GMs to sort out the mess. GMs scratch their heads trying to figure out what the hell actually happened. Having a + or - sign as a clarification of the poster's operation helps immensely in a situation like that. Therefore, it was made to be a part of the official rules, which in turn means it can be used as grounds for a revert. Catching an invalid operation (based on any rule) and using it later for a massive blow to the other side is part of the game, and a fun one if I do say so myself. Also, the win for negatives has been evaluated by a majority of the GM team as a valid one, congratulations. OP will be updated as soon as RainDreamer gets here.

Congratulations to the negatives! Your victory has been noted and is being evaluated.

Hey Batmanpuncher, nice work! I agree with what Slashy wrote, but I'd like to add one thing - your experiment only goes to 1600 LFO (8 FL-T200 tanks). This is enough fuel mass for the smaller and lighter engines like Ant or Spark, but doesn't really give the bigger guys a chance to get anywhere (poor Mammoth doesn't even get to 2km/s dV). I see it has to be a lot of work putting everything together in-game and taking measurements one at a time, but you could, if you wanted to, repeat the process with bigger fuel tanks for the bigger engines. Or, you could calculate the values for all engines and all necessary fuel values in any increments using a suitable software (like Excel, which I'm assuming you made the nice graph in). This would tell you when exactly do the bigger engines get the dV budget you need. As a bonus, you can then add a static mass for payload to the simulation, and even start easily calculating multi-staged designs Keep up the good work!

Because generally you do not want to fire the next stage engines until after the engine bells have cleared the interstage fairing. Bad stuff could and would happen. In real life, that is.

At the other end of the spectrum, I always went for a 600 m/s deorbit burn from 80 km orbits (if I had the fuel, of course). Usually done above the last desert peninsula before KSC. Never had any heating problems. Too steep is not always a bad thing

I hate height limits :/ I would be able and even willing to qualify, but being almost 7 inches too tall kinda blows my chances. (And not being a US citizen, but that can be remedied.) I hope private spaceflight won't have the height limits. Even suborbital spaceflight would be nice. Anything, really.

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The rules (#7) speak very clear and your assumption is correct. That being said, this round is otherwise full of possible revert points, deliberate or not

I disagree. There was a very noticeable lack of f-bombs, compared to todays movie industry and, especially, compared to the book. One extreme example would be Annie Montrose, but overall I feel the language was held back too much in order to keep the low age rating.

It's only awarded to a duo who boosts at least +10 or -10 in a row without any other player contributing at that time, so you guys are safe for now as far as I can see. On a side note, RainDreamer's PC is being fixed, so no updates to the first post will happen until it's ok - that means no MoD awards and no updates to the score.

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I am not 100% sure about that, we'll discuss it. But your victory has been noted, so congratulations to the positives!

Not so sure about cheese, but bacon is always welcome on my burger. The user below me has experienced burns of a second degree or higher.

Point is, he's not wearing any gear (relevant to oxygen, that is). Therefore, he's breathing the HAB's atmosphere, which has to already be oxygenated. He's exhaling even less oxygen than there is in the air around and unless he's breathing right into the chimney (he does the "woohoo-BLAM", but he's standing at least 1.5m away), there is just no way his breath could have affected the reaction to the extent depicted. I get that sacrifices had to be made, but they could have come up with a different reason for the explosion ("too much hydrazine at once" - how hard was that?). They chose to go with the reason from the book instead, which made absolutely no sense in the context of the movie. Unless I missed something, of course. On a different note, I don't remember any alarms in the movie, other than the "storm approaching", "low suit oxygen" and "Hermes depressurizing" ones. The HAB certainly seemed very quiet, as far as alarms go, especially during any fire. Did anyone catch any other alarms? - - - Updated - - - Also, while we are nitpicking - the awesome "space pirate" speech. The whole thing stands on the fact that "nobody can give Watney permission to board the MAV until he already does so" (which was true in the book). Problem is, in the movie he carries the Pathfinder with him, has comm with Earth and even explains the space pirate thing to Houston (while demanding to be called Captain Blondbeard). (And this communication has to be go both ways, otherwise he could not be pondering on the "fastest man in the history of space exploration" before reaching the MAV) Can't NASA just give him express permission to board and command the MAV, defeating his entire thought process? One sentence from Vincent, the freaking director of Ares missions, and Watney is not a space pirate anymore. EDIT: Yes, I know I'm overthinking this stuff. For the record, I really liked the movie. But I liked the book way more.

Of course, but I fail to see how that should make the scene any less stupid.

Essentially, yes. There was only one explosion in the book, IIRC. Watney reduced a lot of hydrazine, noticed a large drop in expected water production, ran to Rover 2 for emergency shelter, because the HAB was like 60-70 % hydrogen that didn't burn in the chimney. Then he tricked the atmospheric regulator to drain all the oxygen to avoid unwanted explosion (only hydrogen and some nitrogen remaining), went in with an oxygen mask (for breathing) and a can of O2 (for burning). Didn't realize the mask was leaking O2 with every exhalation, and blew himself up. Him exhaling oxygen would have no effect in the movie, as the atmosphere was normal at the time and he wore no gear (also stupid as hell... in the book he was way more cautious.)

Well, I did hate how they handled the hydrazine-gone-wrong part. I could easily suspend my disbelief for the situation and solution described in the book, but "I forgot to account for the oxygen I was exhaling" just made no damn sense.

12 minutes to reach Mars. 24 minutes would be for a two-way trip. Since Houston never actually talked to Hermes during the rescue, there was absolutely no reason to delay the "Houston listening" from "rescue actually happening" in the movie. I think this part was filmed very well.

...Ok. That's nowhere near to what the Hermes looked like in my head. Very interesting. I think my poke at the Hollywood is still valid though. The spinning is just too risky to have on any rendezvous.

20 m/s can be a lot if your ship is massive and the only thrusters other than the main ion drive (on the other side... and too low thrust) are attitude thrusters, which had no fuel to spare after matching approach distance. The bomb was neccesary because no sane engineer would design the airlock to allow deliberate (or accidental) depressurization. I do agree that the movie took some Hollywoodization to the end (and some other parts) with the rescue, the rotating gravity ring (expressly stated in the book to be stationary long before any rendezvous, be it the MAV or the supply probe from Earth... But hey, they needed to give Beck some epic screen time), Iron Man... It's hard to love the movie after reading the book. But it was still very enjoyable and I would love to get my hands on an extended version with all the stuff that didn't make the final cut.

Sorry for the wait - do not worry negatives, your win has been noticed and recorded. OP has been updated and the score is now -8 to 5. Is there really nothing the positives can do to even up the odds? The negatives are relentless, but surely there are ways to combat even the worst odds...

I think it's usually called physics range. On topic: My career mode equatorial LKO looks like an asteroid belt. Mostly leftover capsules from rescue contracts (>50) and overengineered booster stages that made it to orbit (also about 50). I made it a rule to not delete any debris from the tracking station, because it just feels cheap. There is one curious case though, there is a lonely 0.625 stack separator left in a sub-orbital trajectory, something like 40 km Pe and 180 km Ap. I tried looking at it as it passed through the atmo, and all it did was increase the Ap each pass. Are these physicless?