oh, i tought i deleted all the mods, sorry for that. feel free to move the thread . i'll start by clearing all those mods out - - - Updated - - - cleared the mods out, (were old versions of mechjeb/kerbal alarm clock) game still freezes stops working, but doesn't crash now. it freezes right before i actually get ingame; i can see the loading thingie on the bottom right, some of the ui elements on the top, and sometimes bill's message appears. then it just stops working. but since it doesn,'t crash now, i don't get a crash report :x also notice with an overlay from my graphics card that my fps drops to anywhere between 0 and 15