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A new concept for Josef Aschbacher's, eventual human rated, flight capability from Europe. The NYX Capsule, of The Exploration Company: Fingers Crossed

Tusk - Fleetwood Mac from the Rumours follow up 1979 album "Tusk"

"The only difference between NRHO and LEO is the thermal and radiation environment. The former has to be dealt with or the people die, so there is nothing really to study. It works, and people can stay, or it doesn't, and they never come back and have to build a new one (and it's understood well enough it would just work minus an eqp failure). Radiation? That's humans as lab rats. Send some up, then see if the people that spend the most time die earlier." So no baisc research with "sensors and trying out potential solutions to the differences between NRHO and LEO" - Got it "just do cool stuf" - Got It I understand. I bow out - looking forward to your book on reforming NASA i will turn my attention to my foolish country wasting money to "move the ball down the field". Clearly NASA will sell the idea of Space science to anyone

No argument, SLS/Orion has been beaten to death among Space Enthusiasts as the best anyone could come up with and receive bipartisan support in the US, Perhaps because of Sheldon's "Great Experiment" with UBI? Certainly not because it was a great way to destroy the BEST reuseable engine from the entire US space program. Gateway is SLS/Orion's destination (*cough*space station Freedom to justify the Shuttle program"cough") and NASA would appreciate a like, mind you i bet Bipartisan support, and the UBI, was more important. Hate Me for pointing out the obvious "The money contributed by "not US taxpayers" is functionally zero." Yes, you only get *another* RMS while we in Canada get an Astronaut on Artemis II, so yes "functionally zero." in your Country, sorry if our investment in robotcs inspires someone in a lesser country.. Sorry Lke it or not, NASA, 20 International partners and counting, see way MORE opportunity in 'the future of' Gateway and "Basic Research" YMMV My apologies editied to replace Sheldon with Shelby. Middle Age and Fat Finger Syndrome are a potent mix.

ISTR that Gateway will also be a Comms hub. ~3 week roundtrips, two weeks surface, ceratinly are longer than Apollo. But Gateway LD studies seem more useful to NEO and Mars trips. Gateway is US National Lab 2.0, for not just analog but realistic exposure all the time in Radiation studies. More importantly with Gateway, Artemis survives National politics by having us foreigners sign onto the accords (20 Partners now with France the other day?) and spreading out development across other tax payers. If ESA has another destination, beyond commercial LEO, they will have even more reason to develop a Human Launch capacity as well - so backup for the inevitable launch accidents that ground space programs. Maybe even us Canadians will finally pony up the money and buy a full capsule ride and stay at the Gateway Hotel. Beer Pong in Micro Gravity?

Boots and Flags 2.0?

I understood that the plan was always both human and sensors. At some point in time you have to send people to practice new skills and install new equipment, otherwise what exactly is the point of 2 week duration Lunar sorties?

We could just continuously x-ray them at home, instead. so not a fan of having a pile of sensors (Dosimeters etc.) in three differently designed pressure vessels, well two likely built by the same manufacturer, might provide for some useful new data without trying to infringe on comic book territory.

So not a big fan of gatherering data on a human rated facility exposed outside of Eath's magnetic field for the long term?

getting ready for a LKO rescue of a scientist on the way to her first Minmus landing.

So after too much GWA (Goggle Work Avoidance) this afternoon, i stumbled on this NASA index image - NASA-5-64-3704 or SPACE STATION by NASA Publication date 1964-01-01 Multi-module Operational National Multipurpose Space Station. Addeddate 2011-05-19 00:04:00 Identifier S64-03704 Year 1964 from the old Astronautix site i dug up this - http://astronautix.com/s/self-deploygspacestation.html "The Self-Deploying Space Station began with a design study in June 1960 by North American Aviation under NASA contract NAS1-1630. The concept was for a rotating space station providing 0.2 G of artificial gravity, that could be orbited in a single launch of a two-stage Saturn C-5 and unfold in orbit without any assembly required. This meant it had to packaged into a 10 m diameter with a mass of no more than 77,200 kg, including an Apollo spacecraft that would be put into orbit together with the station." having a few minutes free this evening i cobbled together this monstrosity - Which unfolded into this I may dump, way too much, more time into this - But not tonight.

Built a lower profile Vacc Lander (here docked to a Stock Vacc World Fuel/Crew transfer depot, and free flying). Gathered over 2100 Science from 2 seperate Surface Hop transits using only a Science Jr., Thermometer, Barometer, Mystery Goo. Rendevous for refueling and Crew between each three surface hop flights. Missing only Poles and slopes. Time to insert one into orbit around the Mun for the Protracted Mun Science Raid. Planning on 2 Biome hops per each Mun surface transit.

Thanks, I apologize for not rereading my question and adding more details Clamp-o-Tron. My bad for posting after Rye. Minmus Polar Orbit and Munar Polar Orbit with RA-2 Dishes. My thinking is that this easily covers both moons as I wring every last Science out of them. Thanks for your points.

Did you 'run test' or 'activate thru staging'? This is usually where i missed a critical reading roll with these contracts. Good Luck!

Is there any reason not to set up a 3 Sat Comm Relay in a Polar Orbit?