Here is my idea of a launcher taking some ideas from White Owl(AKA WinterOwl) On youtube and Kerbalizing it with wings and REALLY big rockets 3M on 1st stage and 2M on second stange with an altair munar lander on top... On launch, dont use more then 1/2 power from the main engine, the SRB\'s have enough power to get you places, after seperation use as much power as you\'d like, as well, make sure you use the S.A.S. or your in for control problems.. Done one munar excursion with it, landed and returned to Kerbin. MY MODS: Probodobodyne Probe kit Novapunch 1.1a C7Studios all packs Dace .31 KW challenger Pack IFE 1.4.2(Intrepid pack) Zoxygene .5 Zo2 Powertech Mechjeb 1.8.1 Orbital Construction V4 Docking Node add-on Tuned-AdvSAS 0.2 Damned Areospace and Robotics Muon Detector 1.0 ENJOY!