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    The Upcoming Movies (and Movie Trailers) MegaThread!

    in The Lounge

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    On 2/13/2024 at 10:11 AM, razark said:

    If that’s the one I think it is, it should be airing on CNN in April or May.

    "CNN has informed us that they plan to broadcast the first two episodes of the CNN series on the 7th of April, starting at 9pm ET/PT and then the third and fourth programmes on the 14th of April at the same time. This is subject to change if a big news story happens and disrupts the schedule, but these are the planned dates. The series is called Space Shuttle Columbia: The Final Flight. "

    You promised us communication, where is it?

    in KSP2 Discussion

    Posted

    Let's say that there is absolutely perfect communication (whatever that means to you).  There's no lack in the flow of information; you know exactly what is going on with every single bit of development; every management decision is laid bare; you know the status of every single bug and each feature; anything that you could ever possibly know is open and posted in your favorite format and location.  Every message is clearly worded, with no possibility of misinterpretation.

     

    What do you get out of it?  Is it going to make the game better?  Is it going to make the releases faster?  Does it let you influence the process?  Is it going to get your $50 back?

    Seriously, what do you get out of it that you aren't going to get anyway?

    Places to hide if there's a nuclear blast?

    in Science & Spaceflight

    Posted · Edited by razark

    4 hours ago, Superfluous J said:

    As a child of the 70s and 80s I can with 100% certainty tell you that all you need to do is get under your desk.

    That's missing a couple steps I learned back in the '80s.

    1. Get under the desk.
    2. Place your head between your legs.
    3. Kiss your ___ goodbye.


     

    Spoiler

    How has this not been posted yet?


     

    You promised us communication, where is it?

    in KSP2 Discussion

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, PDCWolf said:

    Should we take that one clarification from Dakota as meaning no more hotfixes ever...? Because that's what it looks like...

    No, we should take it as they don't intend to release any more hotfixes.  They intend to release patches with updates and bugfixes as development proceeds.  Intending to release more hotfixes would imply that they are also planning to release more broken patches, which is clearly absurd unless one takes the position that they are doing whatever they are doing out of malice.

    10 minutes ago, PDCWolf said:

    Lmao, good to know we now have a "they didn't say promise" but for the community's posts.

    "I want cheese" does not in any way equate to "I expect someone is going to bring me some cheese".

     

    But anyway, the original point was the complaint that they did exactly what they said they would and now we're here spinning in circles again, so... have a nice day.

    You promised us communication, where is it?

    in KSP2 Discussion

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, PDCWolf said:

    does not suggest to me the argument should be contained to that one post by Nate

    Ok, read through this post:

    7 hours ago, PDCWolf said:

    Welcome everyone to Fall! Hotfix Summer is over!

    Stats:

    • Hotfixes launched during Hotfix Summer: 2
    • Time from update 1.3.0 to hotfix 1.3.1: 5 days.
    • Time from hotfix 1.3.1 to hotfix 1.3.2: 14 days.
    • Total bugs fixed with hotfixes launched during Hotfix Summer: 4

    Thank you all for participating on what's been yet another PR stunt with next to nothing to show for it.

    The post references the "Hotfix Summer" post.  It does not refer to any of the posts from the preceding three days, three months, three years, three hour tours, whatever.  It references a single post.

    The clarification came within half an hour, after three posts expressing a desire for more hotfixes and one question if there would be more.  I'd say that's working pretty quick to handle expectations.

     

    But that's still beside the point that all of this was said months ago, well before you complained about them releasing two hotfixes when they said they were going to release hotfixes.

     

     

    9 minutes ago, PDCWolf said:

    Even if we do stick to that 30 minute timeframe, there was already people expecting more hotfixes [1][2][3]

    Actually, none of those state any expectation that there will be more hotfixes, simply that they would like more, and one direct question of whether there would be more.  But again, those were within the half hour before the clarification, and not almost three months later, so, kind of not really relevant to keep bringing up.

    You promised us communication, where is it?

    in KSP2 Discussion

    Posted

    1 minute ago, PDCWolf said:

    Good, this clearly means you didn't look at a single one of the sources I linked.

    Sigh.

    Ok, so the phrase "Hotfix Summer" was used on the 30th, which is what you referenced in your post earlier.  Less than half an hour later, it was clarified that only two hotfixes were expected.  Yet you still posted today that there were only two hotfixes released during "Hotfix Summer".

     

    That's what this is about.  Not about anyone else's expectations prior to the use of "Hotfix Summer" and the clarification about it.  That's completely irrelevant to the subject.  It's about your expectation or desire for more hotfixes after being told there weren't, as well as complaints that the company isn't clearly communicating while demonstrating the exact problem of ignoring what they say and inserting your own meaning.

    You promised us communication, where is it?

    in KSP2 Discussion

    Posted

    5 minutes ago, PDCWolf said:

    At this point the fact they needed to clarify that "hot"fixes were almost a unique event speaks more about the reality of the game than any snarky commentary I can provide. Nobody has any sort of authority to blame people for not believing them anyways. They dug their credibility's grave all by themselves.

    You're unhappy that they said they didn't expect to do more than two hotfixes, and then did two hotfixes.

    Because their communications are so bad that you can't believe them when they say they're doing a limited number of things.  If they had accidentally messed up and released three, we'd be reading complaints that they lied about it, anyway.

     

    What's the point in complaining that they're not communicating properly, when what they communicate is all assumed to be lies (whether from incompetence,  malice, or whatever) in the first place?

    You promised us communication, where is it?

    in KSP2 Discussion

    Posted

      If only they had clearly said what that meant...

    On 6/30/2023 at 4:21 PM, Dakota said:

    Hah, I brought this up when we were trying to figure out the title for this one. "Hotfix Summer" is just a joke related to the phrase "hotgirl summer," and does not imply that additional hotfixes are coming past the second one mentioned above.

     

    But then, if they said it, it wouldn't matter, because anything they say is completely and utterly suspect.

    Thread to discuss negative things in a very general way, just see where it goes y'know?

    in The Lounge

    Posted · Edited by razark

    Just wondering, have you ever worked fast food? 

     

    To quote a previous thread:

    Quote

    You stand in a spot, listen to people say the same things over and over for hours, and automatic mode kicks in and you start punching the buttons while putting as little thought into it as possible.  Not to mention there may be other things going on, especially when it's busy.  When I worked the window, I also had to make sure the cooks were cooking what we needed, side items were prepped, keep an eye on the front counter, make sure the lobby was kept up, handle customer complaints, talk to one customer at the window and one on the speaker, count change,  keep 4 or more different orders straight so I could verify my packer was doing it correctly, and make sure the order I was handing out the window was the right one.  While filling drinks, too.

    Pay as little as the law allows, and what level of giving a damn about the job do you really expect?

      

    1 hour ago, AlamoVampire said:

    i asked the guy that i just paid...

    You didn't pay him.  You just paid the company, which does as much as it can to pay him as little as it can.  He doesn't care.  He just wants a complaining customer to shut up and go away.  He'll tell you whatever he can to get you to leave and let him get on with his night.  He's not going to get a bonus for helping.  He's not going to get anything except yelled at by management if he doesn't do the bare minimum to keep you from calling in and complaining later.

      

    1 hour ago, AlamoVampire said:

    I offered a piece of advice...

    And it went right in one ear and out the other, because you're just one more customer in a long line of people that pass by.

     

    1 hour ago, AlamoVampire said:

    Its not a good look.

    And exactly why does that matter to the lowest guy on the ladder?  He shows up, does the bare minimum, gets paid the bare minimum, and that's it.

     

    Just out of curiosity, how much do you usually tip the guy at the window, and how much less did you give this time for the poor service?

    Post on Intercept Games discord

    in KSP2 Discussion

    Posted

    First, I'm not sure why this just popped up, since it was posted a while ago.  Strange.

     

    45 minutes ago, RocketRockington said:

    The premise of the argument was whether communications to the community are good. 

    No, it was whether the posts we got were truthful and accurate.  The start of this was basically accusing the company of putting out inaccurate information or backtracking on some comment posted months ago about a situation that had a high likelihood of changing.

    I concede that the communication style is bad.

    46 minutes ago, RocketRockington said:

    You're claiming communications are good only if...

    No, I'm claiming the communications are worded perfectly fine, and deliberate or accidental misreading of them are a large part of the problem around here.

    47 minutes ago, RocketRockington said:

    weasel-worded sentence

    "When X, thenY" is pretty damn clear, really.  It does not exclude anything outside of that condition.  

    if ((release_number > previous release) && (release_number >= 1))
  price_go_up();

    is NOT the same as 

    if (release_number < 1)
  current_price = current_price;

    and I can't understand what would make people think it is.

    49 minutes ago, RocketRockington said:

    statements that pretty clearly convey one intent but semantically mean something else

    Sigh.  Really?  Please explain in some sort of detail how that statement means anything other than what that statement states.

    50 minutes ago, RocketRockington said:

    then you're basically saying that yes, the communications are bad

    I've never said the communications aren't bad.  We just think they're bad for different reasons, I guess.

    51 minutes ago, RocketRockington said:

    fool people into thinking they are getting a discount by purchasing early

    That's pretty clear.  The price is lower for EA than it will be for full release.  That doesn't mean the price won't change or go on sale during EA.  Why would you even think that's what they said?  Can you provide the quotes that support that?

    56 minutes ago, RocketRockington said:

    they said something that they didn't intend

    Or they said exactly what they intended and some people misconstrued it, whether deliberately or accidentally.

    58 minutes ago, RocketRockington said:

    didn't correct the community at any point when they could have until after the sale was already announced.

    What point would that be?!?  (part of) The community didn't throw a temper tantrum until they announced a sale!  What possible reason would they have to correct (part of) the community's misrepresentation of their statement until it was clear (part of) the community misunderstood the statement?  We've already established that the devs/PR folks/publisher/managers/company as a whole are incompetent buffoons that have no idea what they're doing, and now we're going to complain that they're not mind readers, either?

    Badly worded communications are the reason that early purchasers of KSP got free DLC.  Something that the new company stood by, by the way.  Why would they not be careful about what they say, because (part of) the community will take any opportunity to turn whatever they say against them?

     

    Anyway, see previous post.

    Post on Intercept Games discord

    in KSP2 Discussion

    Posted · Edited by razark
    I used "argument" in the formal sense. Don't want to mischaracterize the exchange here.

    "No microtransactions" was clearly stated, but people still post their worries about it being added, so it really doesn't matter what the devs or PR folks say.  People are going to read whatever they want into it anyway.

     

    28 minutes ago, PDCWolf said:

    I really don't wanna argue semantics...

    Well, the entire premise of the argument discussion is based on it, so I guess there's nowhere to go from here.

    Post on Intercept Games discord

    in KSP2 Discussion

    Posted · Edited by razark

    I completely agree about them not posting reliably in any single location.  It's absolutely ridiculous.  Other aspects of their communication strategy also need work.  But a lot of people seem to be reading a lot more into what they say than what they actually say.  "The game’s price will certainly increase when 1.0 arrives" means one thing, and only one thing.  The price will increase when 1.0 is released.  They didn't say it wouldn't go up or down before 1.0, or that sales would not occur; they said the price at 1.0 will be higher than the price immediately prior to 1.0.

    Post on Intercept Games discord

    in KSP2 Discussion

    Posted

    9 minutes ago, PDCWolf said:

    They've "rewritten the truth" twice (prices, now K.E.R.B. scheduling).

    As I recall, they said the price would go up at 1.0 release.  Nothing they've done or said has been contrary to that.

    They said "we're sticking with [the schedule] for now" three months ago.  Are they never allowed to change, or do you really expect a report every two weeks until the game is released?

    Post on Intercept Games discord

    in KSP2 Discussion

    Posted · Edited by razark

    22 minutes ago, PDCWolf said:

    Ah yes, remember when this was supposed to come out every 2 weeks and the last one we have is from almost a month ago?

    They missed one on the 25th1, probably because they were busy getting the patch ready.  I'd say the patch is more valuable and tells more about the state of bug fixing and game progress than a forum post.  It's still less than two weeks since the patch was released.

    I'd say they're close enough to on-track.

     

    1 And the 8th, if you're holding them to a strict schedule, but again, less than two weeks after the patch.

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