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  1. Elon Musk ‏@elonmusk 8s8 seconds ago

    Still working on the Falcon fireball investigation. Turning out to be the most difficult and complex failure we have ever had in 14 years.


    Important to note that this happened during a routine filling operation. Engines were not on and there was no apparent heat source.


    Support & advice from @NASA, @FAA, @AFPAA & others much appreciated. Please email any recordings of the event [email protected].


    Particularly trying to understand the quieter bang sound a few seconds before the fireball goes off. May come from rocket or something else.


    AJ ‏@ashwin7002 34m34 minutes ago

    @elonmusk @NASA @faa @AFPAA there are some videos on YouTube claiming something hit the rocket. Any reality there?


    Elon Musk Verified account
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    @ashwin7002 @NASA @faa @AFPAA We have not ruled that out.

    If they haven't even ruled that out, it sounds like they've got just about nowhere. This standdown is set to be a long one.

  2. Quick update via Blue's mailing list; the next flight is an in-flight abort test, and should take place in early October, with another livestream. The booster used will be the same one as the past few flights, and will probably be destroyed in the test. If it manages to survive, it'll be retired and put in a museum. The email also says that a 'sneak peek' of the orbital system should be included in the next one.

     

    In other news, Blue're now planning to launch orbital systems from and test engines at CCAFS LC-11, as well as the previously announced LC-36.

  3. 1 hour ago, DerekL1963 said:

    Like wumpus I find it very hard to believe that an expensive satellite wasn't covered by somebody's insurance (SpaceX, IAI, Spacecom, any banks or financiers involved, etc... etc...) at every step of the process from exiting the factory doors through end-of-life.  Speculating over which insurance did or did not, will or won't pay out strikes me as just meaningless jaw flapping.

    We know the satellite itself was covered by a prelaunch insurance policy purchased by ISI, but those policies don't cover launch cost. They're intended for circumstances like damage during transport, failures like we've had today being unprecedented in commercial launch. We know Spacecom are at least going to request a refund of the launch cost from SpaceX, and it's hardly likely they'll have announced this without their lawyers having a good look over it.

  4. 10 hours ago, A Fuzzy Velociraptor said:

    Isnt that literally the entire point of insurance for satellites?

    Satellite insurance is insurance for the satellite, not the launch. In this case they only got a payout from their sat maritime transport insurance, so launch definitely isn't included.

  5. 2 hours ago, B787_300 said:

    ack not entirely true.  SpaceX said it was the strut and that is it. NASA (who has most of the data from SpaceX) said it was probably the strut but they cant be 100% sure.  I would tend to agree with SpaceX on this one and say it was the strut overs NASA's well it seemed like the strut but could have been a couple of other things. 

    Orbital were certain they'd found the root cause in the OCO-1 failure, over NASA's objections. Didn't exactly work out well for them.

  6. What happened today was that a vehicle containing over five hundred tons of liquid oxygen and kerosene, hundreds of kilos of hypergolic propellants, significant amounts of outright pyrophoric material, and wrapped in a thin film of flammable metal, exploded. That is not suspicious. That's the natural state of such an object. That's why space is hard.

  7. It is built for outsize cargo on top of the fuselage, so could potentially be used for transportation of e.g. C919 fuselage.

    17 minutes ago, LN400 said:

    I am indeed curious what uses China sees in this plane. Surely it's not for sending post cards to remote areas and a space shuttle program that demands a small fleet of 225s doesn't seem very likely.

    While a shuttle isn't likely, AN-225 was also used to transport the tank sections for Energiya; a similar role for future large Chinese rockets would be feasible, in particular CZ-9.

  8. 11 minutes ago, Nibb31 said:

    Regarding the first failure, material and supplier selection is their fault. Cutting corners by going for the cheaper supplier who sells non-aerospace grade parts has a cost.

    Should be noted that NASA had misgivings over whether or not SpaceX had really found the root cause in that case. I suppose we'll know in a few months.

  9. 10 minutes ago, Robotengineer said:

    Is SpaceX the only launch provider that does pre-launch static fires?

    Currently, yes. Most other providers have a simulated launch with tanking but without firing (a so-called wet dress rehearsal, WDR).

    10 minutes ago, Robotengineer said:

    Why do they leave the payload on for the static fire? Vibration measurements? 

    It's faster. This thing was supposed to be going up in two days, not much time for rolling the stage back and doing extra integration work.

  10. 1 minute ago, todofwar said:

    Will this count against F9 though?

    It won't strictly be counted in launch failure stats, but is still notable as a complete failure of a launch campaign, and is likely to be counted colloquially. Atlas-able is famous for getting 'four failures in three flights' due to a similar incident.

  11. 3 minutes ago, CptRichardson said:

    The 'hydrazine explosion on the pad, not in the rocket' story sounds fishy as hell.  Not in a 'SpaceX needs handling help' way, but in a 'this almost sounds like sabotage' way.

    I can basically guarantee that the actual cause will be nothing like that, we're still only a few hours out.

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