I posted on the new player forums a couple days ago, and included pics of my latest attempt at landing a munbase. Several people wanted more pics, so here goes. The idea is to land the largest possible base. Attempt number one - before I really started playing with the 3m sections. This was really the direct approach. solids, then 1m sections, then the 3m for final orbital insertions and some of the munar insertion. I'd need to burn off some fuel for landing, so you use the landing stage for munar insertion and landing. It worked, but the number of pieces was getting a bit kludgy, so I figured I'd give the 3m sections a try. This worked better, so I started adding mass to the "base" section. More base, more mass, more thrust to compensate, and we have version 3. here it is without the superstructure. the spaceplane sections are empty sections (the ones that don't hold fuel) to act as placeholders for actual base sections in .17+. My machine really has issues launching this one - 1fps until down to the final 3m section. A lot of the reinforcement and extra thrust can probably be removed if you can actually drive it. As it stands I can't even do a roll to 90 degrees until the final 3m section. This has some minor heat issues with all the 3m sections, but nothing that blows up. I decided to redesign the base section, which needed a redesign of the boosters. This part is still a work in progress to try to lessen the lag issues on launch. final version, which I apparently didn't save because I'm an idiot. anyone have any suggestions for lowering launch lag, or on the 3m sections? the boost phase is kind of a kludge. Also, how do I do a /spoiler cut? nergal