Amram

you should give this a read, I could elaborate, but pretty much all my points are also in this, so.... http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8120-6100-4100_10.html#sect0 its the last page of a benchmarking review of the bulldozer CPU\'s(the FX series chips). Their point of view, FX\'s are a disappointment, and not worth the cost for little to no performance gain over the previous X4\'s and X6\'s. its been 6 months, so pricing has almost certainly changed, but if both have gotten cheaper, they still aren\'t worth the increased cost compared to an X4 or X6. if you prefer to skim(you\'ll miss quite a bit), start with the second last paragraph.

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depends on just how heavily it will be loaded. Odds are the x4 will serve you well enough and you\'ll not find it coming up short. i never close excel, or firefox, and still do my gaming around them. I\'ve had dozens of spreadsheets open, some of them huge, and hundreds of tabs in firefox, plus gaming, and still not seen any significant impact, and its not often I show 50%+ on a fifth core or more. If your going to be doing any video or image editing, or transcoding, then the hexacore will shine through and be well worth it, but I think the quadcore will probably be enough.

I need to step in here, lol, Vista quite thoroughly grabbed that crown, and while Windows 8 looks set to fight over it, Xp is quite safe from being tagged an embarrassment imo. If it came with Xp, then it predates Vista most likely, which makes that a rather old laptop. You really are better off putting any money that might have gone into repairs, into a new laptop as Cardgame suggests. Buying parts through eBay is a gamble. you might get a good long run, or you might get a near dud. They might have had a long life already with the person selling them, and be ready to up and die without warning. buying parts through eBay is like buying refurbished parts, except there isn\'t a warranty or manufacturer reputation behind it, nor has it first passed a quality control to ensure its still up to par.

its a perfectly functioning website supporting the income of a now massive company. Facebook stopped being about you, me, or anyone else and focused purely on forcing you to waste every conceivable second possible and load/refresh as many pages as possible quite a long time ago. It works great, does exactly what its supposed to, but it isn\'t streamlined to get you in and out in a hurry, because thats counter productive for them. its streamlined to make you generate more revenue for them. My point is, they won\'t ever change that. They don\'t see it as a service to you anymore so long as the majority still seem tied to it, which they are..... now its purely about getting you to work for them. The more hoops you can be made to jump through, the more meny that can gather up either directly or indirectly, and thats what the page does. Your entertainment, pleasure, frustration, or anger mean nothing to them, so long as they have your time, and they will always want more.

I would be very surprised if that ever gets better. Facebook is a company that survives as a data mining tool, except instead of searching, it gets its info to come to it and enter itself. It provides marketing data about demographics among other things, and it generates revenue of ad streams while its at it. The more time they can convince you to spend on FB, the more ads they can feed you, and the more data they hope to squeeze from you. I suspect this isn\'t going to get better, it isn\'t going to get worse before it gets better, it just isn\'t going to get better.

that, quite literally, is the unwritten law of siblings. its never discussed, yet somehow in quite literally all families the siblings will say the same thing about each other for at least a few years, if not longer. Its not that they decided, lets piss each other off until one of us goes postal and takes an axe to the other\'s face, yet this is pretty much exactly what happens anyways, altho generally without the axe bit. If you were to ask her the answer would be biased, so there\'s no point, but if some random stranger, or a teacher asked if she thought you drove her absolutely crazy, they\'d get a more honest answer and im sure the answer would be just the same.

now that would have been amusing to see

Ghz stopped mattering back before the old Athlons came out. there are two concerns of importance, and possibly even more now. One is the frequency that the chip performs its instructions. Another, which I have VERY rarely seen any mention of, is how many of instructions it can perform in one cycle. Yet another is how efficiently is it organised. Does this ship leave itself with one more thing to do while the other is finished completely after the same number of steps? The i7\'s when they launched, despite despite seemingly being slower than top end Core 2 Quads, were FAR faster chips. Frequency hasn\'t really mattered for almost a decade now. it matters when comparing two of the same chip. But how those chips are designed and built matters FAR more when comparing two different chips these days. As a simple answer, ANY cpu can be used for gaming, just like ANY car can be used for racing. All of them are capable of completing the course, all of them can do however many laps and reach the finish line. Some cars for roughly the same price range are FAR faster and better suited to racing however, the same is true of processors. Right now, there is little difference in price from an intel i3 or i5 build, and an AMD build, assuming similar processor pricing. Where they differ is that right now, in nearly all cases, the intel builds will offer higher performance almost completely across the board, and will last you longer(the AMD chips won\'t die or anything, but being slower, they become effectively useless sooner). So, your last main question, was that a gaming chip? Yes. It will play games just fine You question should have been, was that the best gaming chip for the price range, and im afraid it most definitely isn\'t. and yes, Passmark has an exhaustive listing of compared items. their bechmark likely isn\'t perfect, so there will be oddities, but overall, I think it holds up as a solid starting point for deciding.

[troll] all i know is, after hearing it over and over and over some guy named dekhard shot first, and teh Spak guy just never did, everyone who thinks that is wrong!!!1!1!!1!. ! [/troll] trivia, deckard(bladerunner) was played by harrison ford, who also played hans solo, who shot Greedo(depending on your viewpoint, and release edition), i just feel like being a pain, lol. Im a heathen for sure, i like them both! .

not even that, entire lines of hardware will come and go, and much of the build will be irrelevant, and so much more power can be had for the same money. Come the end of the year the Radeon 8xxx series is expected to be ready to launch, and wihle I don\'t know whats on the horizon for nVidia off hand, you can bet they too will have a new shiny expensive cards out in time for christmas. the result of a new card hitting the market is almost always the exact same. every card below it moves one step to the left, cheaper, and the bottom end ceases to be. prices vary a little. it might be a bit more expensive to buy the card that now occupies the space, but it will bring much more power than that small increase in price. Computers move quickly, if you are waiting 7 months or so to buy, don\'t lock in just yet, take another look when you get there. AMD pulled a rabbit out of the hat when they launched Athlon, i don\'t know their plans, but its not impossible for them to retake the performance crown(but very unlikely), ATI(.....really just a division of AMD now) and nVidia are currently fairly closely matched, it might be very lopsided by then with one clearly faster than the other. The dell Inspiron 620 might not even be an option for sale by then. point is, and Radsoc also stated this, altho I disagree about why he stated it, it is still true. Computers move very quickly, and the balance of price, performance, leader and loser changes often, and sometimes by a lot. this wasn\'t a wasted exercise, you have ideas, plans, and a goal in sight, now just to review in 6 months and see what has/should be changed. my favorite time of the year, boxing day!!!

im sorry guys, this is huge, i know it is, but im not sure how to streamline it further without losing points, or meaning. Rather than hack it down and not offer a complete thought and my advice, i\'ve rewritten whole sections a few times to shorten them but not diced it up, its still huge. this definitely applies here. You\'re having squabbles with your sister, and its causing your parents to become peacekeeper and dish out penalties. You can\'t beat parents that are on the warpath, generally the outcome they seek is the outcome they will force to occur. Your going to toe the line they will draw, regardless of whether or not you like it. Once they are past talking, there\'s no point in holding your ground, they\'ll just raise the stakes until you relent. Where I think most teenagers go wrong, and i\'ve been guilty of this many times, as im sure all the rest of us have too, is that they get angry, and stray from calm and logic. Once you start telling them instead of discussing with them. Once you start yelling instead of talking. Once you say 'no thats not' with nothing more than an opinion to back you up. once you have done any of those you have almost always lost the argument. We are all unique, we are all different, we all handle everything differently. but most importantly, we are all stuck on this same little rock at the same time. Your best bet at fixing this, is reason, and not holding ground you cannot reasonably defend. As much as it may hurt, offend, or just plain suck, give ground when you must, it helps immensely. Sometimes its necessary to take a loss when you are definitely in the right, in order to achieve a larger victory. You mentioned having tried to talk it out and that it doesn\'t work, you get angry. That happens. Its definitely much more common as a teenager. But im afraid talking it out is your solution, it usually is. But do not get angry, and do try to bring the conversation to a close, at least temporarily when this happens. If they don\'t want to talk, then don\'t persist. it takes two people to hold a discussion, it takes one person to earn a penalty. If you go to them to talk about something, and your not in any trouble, then often you will be free to end the chat and walk away to calm down when you get angry. Do this. Ask to stop, take a break, and you\'ll come back and proceed further when calmer. They may say no, they want to finish this now. Do your damage control first. Apologise for anything you might say now, and remind them that if history is any indication your going to say something stupid(most people do when angry), and ask that they take it in stride since they wish to continue. Not 'you get what your asking for'. this isn\'t validation to be an ass, and avoid at all costs making it sound like that is the position your taking. Instead, you know your going to be at fault for something if this continues, and your sorry, and if they could overlook that this time, then maybe you can reach the bottom of the real issues before it all comes apart, discussion meets failure, no progress is made, and your in trouble again. if they let you walk away-and they are almost certain to, then you have real progress. For one, you know one of your next discussion topics. you got angry, WHY? Talk about that. Follow the points that make you angry, in more than one sitting if necessary. What you need, above all, is to be able to discuss these things without the anger. The anger is coming from what you view as a lack of functional communication, from misunderstanding('they don\'t know how to talk to me'). you don\'t need to work on talking, I don\'t know any teenagers that need work there. You need to work on the misunderstandings and why\'s of what angers you and what angers them. Clear up enough of what makes you/them angry, and why, and it will change things for the better. For one, they don\'t like dealing with you when angry, because it usually makes them angry. They miss the days when you were simpler, easier to understand. This makes you angry, that makes you happy. As a teenager, all that goes out the window. Your mind is reaching its potential, exploring its limits, and pushing boundaries, and responds in very complex and poorly defined ways that do not stop changing. You are not the cute little toddler that was so easy to deal with anymore. If you ask any adult that has children that are now adults what part of all that they hated the most, likely all of them will say the exact same thing. The teenage years. It used to be so easy to keep the peace between you, now it seems to them that they cannot win. this makes you happy, except when it makes you angry. That makes you sad, except when it also makes you angry, or sometimes happy. The predictability is gone, and your right, they don\'t understand you anymore. All parents and their children go through this stage. If they know what sets you off, and why it sets you off, they can alter their approach to avoid that. if you know what makes them angry, and why it makes them angry, you can alter your approach to avoid that. Clear up enough, and there won\'t be that many angry arguments where the only outcome is you in trouble. The causes of your anger will not stop fluctuating until your well past being in school. your parents are fairly simple to come to understand well, you aren\'t, this is MUCH easier for you than it is for them. in a nutshell, thats growing up. most teenagers, myself included, do that the dumb way. why am i in trouble ....... im right, your wrong ......why am I in more trouble now!? WTF!?!?.....RAGE! by the time your grown and on your own, you can probably do as you please when visiting your parents, or in dealings with siblings or other family members, and there will be few if any arguments because after all this time you know how to avoid pushing them too far, they know how far not to push you, and you can both stay calm, and discuss or even argue, and both know when to seek mediation or to walk away to keep it civil. Save yourself the grief, and time, start the talking now, work on it, and get there much more quickly. it takes forever when you do it the hard way, getting how to keep your parents civil hammered into you by trial and error, followed by many many punishment cycles. Apologies on the length, but im not sure how to shorten much of that, without cutting what i think are important points and avoid possible misunderstandings. And last of all. I\'ve been kicked out of schools for excessive fighting(at my worst i was averaging 2+ fights per day), because dealing with others often left me so blindingly angry that life was mostly shades of red, and how to force upon others the idea that i shouldn\'t be pushed that far. Diplomacy seemed to have failed, and violence appeared to be setting the better success rate in getting me left in peace. I\'ve been shipped off to live with my dad for a few years cause I angered my mother enough that everything was taken much too far. They divorced when i was three, when I was eleven she married again. So I\'ve got four sisters, all younger, 3 from a different father than mine, 1 from a different mother. I\'ve dealt with favoritism. younger siblings often get more attention/perks/gifts, etc. And biological siblings are often viewed a bit differently as well, generally in their favor. Its still noticeable in our family to some extent. Its not fair, it does suck, and they are quite honestly somewhat blind to the fact they are even guilty of it. i lost count when growing up of how many times I got my oldest sister into trouble for things I did. They knew it was me that did it, but had nothing to support it. they tried forcing me to cave by sitting us both down at the table with a time limit, and a more severe punishment if we exhausted the time. I saw an opportunity. I made it clear to my sister that i was not going to cave. if I had to get in trouble, I could take solace in knowing i wasn\'t alone. She believed she faced a no-win situation. i made it painfully clear that either way, she was going to be punished, but the more severe punishment came if we reached the end of the timelimit. if she caved, she got a lesser punishment. She caved, more than once. Teenagers can be surprisingly evil. Teens are basically adult minds, without the tempering of patience and society. Unbridled ambitions and passions without the restraint of experience. An opportunity to use someone for their own ends will often be taken without even thinking about it. I never did, and i took advantage whenever I found such opportunities. I battled often, especially once I was larger than my stepdad. I was emboldened by knowing I could take him physically if it ever got that far. Intimidation was no longer a factor in angering my father, i wasn\'t intimidated anymore. I entrap people in words, to twist and double back, to imply but not state. It was great fun to confound my siblings, never giving straight answers, often implying something completely different. Almost always misleading yet rarely lying outright. Many a time I implied they could do something they actually couldn\'t. I never took it so far as to put them in danger, but often far enough to get them into trouble. I was somewhat evil as a teen, took much of my amusement, and comfort in growing up from ensuring i wasn\'t alone in getting into trouble often. It made it very difficult for me to be caught out in the wrong for something I said, but it also is a source of anger for many. They understood me to have said this, then I seem to double back on the meaning of the same wording and they think I was lying. Yet the words never changed. They misunderstood, that much seemed obvious to me. Their view is that I have misstated, or failed to clarify, I said one thing and meant another, I lied. In using an ambiguous statement, its true, I had failed to clarify my statement and be clear about my meaning. its also true that they have misunderstood my intent, and that I was not lying nor changing my story. If it was against my parents, I was in crap, every time. I\'ll close this off repeating much of what has been said, and what you will hear over and over as time goes on. [list type=decimal] [li]Pick your battles, its not worth it in the long run to fight them all. Some you simply cannot win, even with a stacked deck.[/li] [li]Talk, talk, and when you\'re done, talk more. if there are still disagreements or anger to be talked about, then your not finished[/li] [li]Stay calm. they will be trying hard to stay calm, you need to as well, and it WILL be difficult at times. if possible seek a break to calm down.[/li] [li]It does get better. It may get worse before it gets better, it might take what seems to be an eternity, but it DOES get better.[/li] [li]and last of all, your parents WILL say this someday your turn as the parent is coming, and your children WILL make you hate them from time to time. And it will all begin again, with you on the other team for game 2.[/li]

You do realise that gaming rarely if ever fully occupies more than 2 cores? If your only planning to use the system for gaming, then having more than 2 cores is essentially wasted if they do not also bring a worthy speed increase. If you can\'t put all four cores to effective use on a regular basis, you are essentially wasting your money on hardware you can\'t use effectively. It simply isn\'t worth the cost if the budget is a concern, and gaming on a budget was the stated goal. A good solid OEM build is VERY doable for $1500, if your willing to slice and dice where necessary. Before you write it off, do take a look at what can be done first. Put a serious effort in, it just might surprise you. The whole concept that a system MUST cost over X amount to be useful is patently absurd. The hardware needs to be worth the cost, if it is, then it has value. Ever hear of the Raspberry Pi? I suppose everyone\'s retarded and its a useless waste of money at $35. Bragging rights are one thing, effective use of limited resources are another entirely. That all said, perhaps you\'d care to suggest a build he should have gone for. not merely I wouldn\'t settle for X, but a full up build, join the thread fully and put something on the table for us to see. Do recall the conditions he faces, and why. So far all i see is smug criticism that borders on elitism without any constructive input.

I think he\'s willing and able, since we started on that approach, the parents vetoed it on him, so he now has to deal with a larger cost I\'ve built systems using the Antec 300, 600, 900, and 1200, and aside from the 300 and 600 being smaller, i\'ve had no complaints with any of them.

except he\'s already said he doesn\'t have the option of self building, it needs to be a OEM build. im sort of cheating and suggesting a self upgraded OEM build to counter its most significant flaws. but agreed, good solid systems, im a particular fan of the Antec 900 and 1200 series cases

lol, that happens with most people I know. The curse of being an enthusiast, and letting others know it. Im about to resume my work season, so im afraid i\'ll be incredibly difficult to get ahold of real soon here. I work seasonal, so during the work season pretty much all of my time is consumed with work and sleep, but then I get an off season, and pretty much the entire winter is free time for whatever suits me at that moment. Im always disappointed when that ends, I like it sooo much, lol. email\'s a better bet to catch me, and i don\'t mind really darkprev at hot mail com gives me a reason to get caught up on developments, since I tend to fall behind until prompted

well, look at it as having employees. the i3 is like a team of two good employees. if you only ever have enough work to keep one of them working, and the otherone sometimes has something to do, you probably don\'t really need the second guy, but he comes in handy now and then Now hire two more guys, and your an i5. same abilities per guy, nothing new there, you just have two more of them. If you couldn\'t keep the two guys of an i3 busy, then you definitely can\'t keep even two of the guys in the i5 busy, yet you have two more sitting here doing nothing. if you can find a job that will put all 4 to work, or take on two large jobs at once, thent he i5 will DEFINTIELY get far more done, but gaming won\'t, not yet, and not for a long time yet I\'ll bet. the i3, per core, is almost identical to the i5. if your on a budget, the cost difference means the i5 just isn\'t worth it. the increase the i5 has over the i3 is tiny, and at most tasks the i3 is quite capable of matching an i5. as to being a fan of the i3, im a fan of whoever offers the most performance for the price, and the iX line is trashing AMD hardcore. for the money an i3 system is only a little more expensive, and FAR faster at most tasks. btw, you can drop about $90 off the cost of the system if you are ok with getting a cheaper, probably lower quality monitor. you can find monitors on newegg for under $100, and the monitor Dell includes is a 23in for $180.

I have always wished they allowed recipients to come and retrieve their packages in such cases. So many times I have been taunted. I\'ve had it in the same city as me, but miss its outbound leg before end of the day, and wait over a long weekend, drove me bonkers knowing I could walk there if so inclined, a little far, but doable.

thats WITH the monitor, and almost certainly a better one than will come with the Costco system

well, in all fairness, no-one in their right mind buys the SSD for its storage space. For that you pair it up with a secondary drive, such as the one your currently using. Use the slower standard drive for mundane tasks like holding your movies, music, and other large things you just keep on hand on your drives games and programs that you want to benefit from the SSD should be installed to the SSD, and its strengths will shine through clearly. I\'ve done ok with a 160gb main OS drive SSD, and 2TB of storage in the system. I don\'t actually ~need~ any more than that, although I do have over 10TB between all the externals and the internals.......lol, but thats the point. Externals, and additional drives can satisfy your needs for space, the SSD is there to speed up the majority of what your system will do.

I think you\'d do better to customise from Dell. first question is then, how important is OEM warranty to you? Seeing as how you were willing to self build, im assuming its not all that necessary? i wouldn\'t get it myself, its generally overpriced and not used enough imo. just replace the part and move on. If warranty isn\'t important, my recommendation is to: Start with a Dell Inspiron 620. All the same basic software choices. Step down to the i3 2120. in gaming your not taking a hit at all, they are almost identical if you cannot get all 4 cores humming away on the i5, and VERY FEW games can even occupy two cores fully. Step the extended warranty down from 2 years, to one year. 12 months later anything that dies is overdue for an upgrade, even $100 parts will usually outperform whatever was in your system at this point. Call and find out if the motherboard has 2 or 4 slots for ram. If only 2, then get 6Gb(included int he $690 price). if 4, then spec the system with 4Gb, and get the other 4 or 8 later in an upgrade. it\'ll be cheaper overall, and more importantly, cheaper now(-$60). You come out at $690, but have two issues. A generic low end power supply that won\'t support a decent graphics card(almost definitely lacking the connectors), and integrated graphics. So, buy 2 upgrades at the same time. Note that you\'ll have the same issue with the Costco system. For one they give you a mere 300w power supply, you\'ll be very close to, if not beyond its limits when the system is busy. more, you will almost definitely lack the connectors for a powerful graphics card, and will be stuck with low performance parts, which co-incidentally is all they offer you as options. This bundle is 216, bringing you up to $890, with a good solid PSU, and a more powerful graphics card than the original 6790 mentioned in this thread. Through Dell you\'ll get far better support than through Costco, and you\'ll get at least equal if not better parts, and I almost guarantee the monitor will be superior. Buy the upgrades as well and you have a FAR superior system for your stated needs, for almost the same budget. At least you\'ll come out about as good as the self build would have left you, but unfortunately +$300 higher cost in the end. Although originally we never factored monitor, mouse and keyboard, and this does include monitor, mouse and keyboard to reply while this was types: Caesar15, none of those cards will perform as well as even the Radeon 6790 does, the Costco system, aside form using an i5 is actually inferior to the self-builds listed earlier in several ways, not least of which is graphics. they wouldn\'t do it all out in ultra, and i guarantee you, this Costco system won\'t either, it\'ll do worse, and nearly twice the cost. Those cards listed, except the 7670 are barely above integrated graphics. Amd uses a naming scheme. the first number lists your generation, newer generation cards generally perform better, or the same but more efficiently(less power used, so they are quieter, laptops can pack in power powerful GPU\'s, etc) the second number is your main category. This ranges from 4 to 9. the differences from one category to the next are usually MUCH larger than those found between two generations. A 6870 will destroy a 7770. generally this is how much of the actual full (X9XX card) you have in the GPU. the lower the number, the more cut down the GPU is, how many cores it has. the third number is another binning number, and lists the overall category of the parts you do have. the frequencies, cooling system, memory bandwidth, and other limitations apply here. A 6790 will beat a 6770 a 6850 will beat a 6790 a 6850 will beat a 7770 a 6850 will likely just beat an 8650 when they get around to making one. The Geforce 560 TI I mentioned is a middle ground between the 6790, and the 6870. it\'ll put you just just ahead of the 6850 at some things, and just behind on others.

i figured you\'d see a significant and worthy improvement from those. well, there\'s any number of reasons for the fan noise, it could also be that its internal bearings are shot and its number is up. not much you can do if thats the case. i assume its a 120mm fan on the back. At the very high end of things for silent you can get a Noctua NF-P12. Damn near impossible to hear at more than 2ft away(or outside the case), and push a good amount of air while they are at it. I use a pair of them on my radiator, and my PSU is far louder than they(both combined) are, and I picked a near silent PSU that hardly ever breaks a sweat(the fan rarely ever does more than idle on it). its night and day from the basic 120mm fans Thermaltake had in this case when i bought it. Seriously, for $25, they are worth it imo. You can push more air, or you can get quieter, but good luck getting this much air pushed, and being quieter. http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/printpage/Anatomy-of-Computer-Fans/1039 that might be a good read if your debating tearing apart your fan to get at and lube up its bearing(s) And yes, you will wonder how you ever used a computer without one the day you get an SSD. Its insane the difference they make. I STILL have under 12 second boot times, and I have to wait longer than most while the raid array initialises. If not for that, I would still be sub 10 seconds, and this is over a year after the initial install. I thought about it, put it off a few times, almost didn\'t get one, and knowing what i know now, i feel like an idiot for having waited so long. its not the end of the world to not have one for gaming, they don\'t make that huge a difference there. It mostly reduces load times(which for games that load when needed while in game, it can eliminate potential stuttering....ARMA 2, im looking at you!). The single biggest difference though will be in general computing, you will literally NEVER wait for your computer to do anything involving its OS drive ever again. no more waiting for the sleeping HD to spin up. no more 1/4 second but noticable delays to the start menu opening. no more drives becoming fragmented and bloated and making the OS crawl. Probably the single best upgrade I ever made. There is a pretty wide margin between a good SSD, and a crappy one though, so do take some care to read around before choosing.

I take it they didn\'t arrive today

.......only 3??? gah, lol. Nope, i think your getting 4.... per mood. depends on my mood: [list type=decimal] [li]Trinity - James Dooley[/li] [li]Arkkadian Empire(Long) - Audio Machine[/li] [li]Ocean Princess - Two Steps From Hell[/li] [li]Dragon Rider - Two Steps From Hell[/li] [list type=decimal] [li]Elvenpath - Nightwish[/li] [li]Devil Drums - Scooter[/li] [li]When Worlds Collide - Powerman 5000[/li] [li]Hitchin\' a Ride - Green Day[/li] [list type=decimal] [li]Laichzeit - Rammstein[/li] [li]Du Oder Ich - Megaherz[/li] [li]Angst - Eisbrecher[/li] [li]Schwarze Witwe - Eisbrecher[/li] [list type=decimal] [li]Pierrot - Aya Kamiki[/li] [li]Kioku - See-Saw[/li] [li]Heroine - Nami Tamaki[/li] [li]Drowning - Momo[/li] and this is the VERY trimmed list, if it were just my favorites, I could exceed 100 songs probably. And only all of a dozen mainstram, lol. If I had to settle for ONLY 3....... Kioku by See-Saw Trinity by James Dooley Elvenpath by Nightwish. fixed it for you.....and agreed.

http://thermaltakeusa.com/Products.aspx?C=1135 http://www.zalman.com/ENG/product/CategorySecond_Pic.asp?categoryname=Coolers&categorySecond=CAS5 I\'ve got a Zalman ZM-NC1000 and love the thing. My sister is one of those people that won\'t spend money to get a quality item when there is plenty of budget alternatives to be had. She\'s killed 6 or 7 laptop coolers(bought at Walmart, Futureshop, and Bestbuy) since I got this one, and by now, spent alot more than I did. Cost me $40 Cdn. Basically though, anything by Thermaltake, Zalman, or CoolerMaster should leave you with a good solid cooler that will be more than enough.