krona14

with railguns unlike lasers, you could fire it on the other side of the planet and hit your target without you having to be anywhere near them, also if you were a closer ranges you could hit your target before they could make any kind of maneuver, or you could equip the railgun with ammunition that cold guide itself to its target.

also, if railguns use to much electricity, just use a SCRAM canon instead, its basically the same, just without electricity and magnets

How would railguns be easy to detect? it uses a small half a foot by 3 inch cylinder of tungsten going mach 10. this could be redesigned to be a more stealth shape too. also railguns can be significantly scaled down to be used on a smaller ship. also the US navy has just stated arming aircraft carriers with railguns and there have been huge amounts of testing done on them, a full sized railgun can penetrate a 40ft reinforced steal-concrete bunker at a range of 2 km. this is a very clear about the effectiveness of a railgun. i have not done a large amount of research on lasers, but I have seen that they have a very short effective range and use a massive amount of electricity.

STOP TALKING ABOUT ANTI-MATTER LIKE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT IT! We know NOTHING about anti-matter now, stop talking about things like anti-matter reactors like they actually exist, if you know something we dont, tell someone and you will get a prize or something. also, rail-guns are cheeper, more power efficient and do a crap ton more damage then lasers do. Also i want a real source on this laser thing, you i dont believe any of the things that you have said about lasers. GIVE US SOURCES!

Ok, humans are already becoming obsolete. you can engineer a drone to do everything that a human can do and more. humans are very weak, we can die from one well placed gun shot or of many kinds of infection. a drone however can have much more armor and weapons then a human could cary and they could be tremendously faster also what can humans do the robots cant?

I do a lot of RC stuff, so i know a lot about this. when you say you are saying that there is a lot of electronics in a drone, false. all you need to have, is the basic controls for maneuvering/firing weapons ,,a camera for the pilot and a receiver/transmitter, not any fancy AI, any AI assistance can be located elsewhere to remove the cost of the individual drone. in manned craft, you have much more delicate electronics (ie: displays AI assist, computers, life support, radio, and may other things, also manned craft have to be airtight and much larger then a drone. and with manned craft, you need a lot more armor to protect the pilot from radiation, bullets, and the vacuum of space. and this cost a lot more money because many of you pilots will be killed, but if they are remotely piloting, you wont lose the most expensive thing: the human. also this allows you to train people more effectively without the worries of them dieing. if we have any infantry, i will all be drones/robots there will be no actually manned vehicles for fighting because drones are superior in every way (this does not mean hyper-intelligent AI, this is just remotely controlled things). also, in this time drones will be hugely cheaper then using people. You need to read the prompt for this discussion, this is supposed to be pre-fusion, that means no antimatter! anyways, antimatter is hugely volatile, fusion would be much more controllable and efficient because of the abundance of the reactants, once you have fusion reactor, just stop a your nearest atmosphere to refuel for free, and it is very safe and efficient. LASERS! lASERS ARE NOT EFFICIENT! THEY WILL ALMOST NEVER BE! railguns are cheaper and more powerful. you do not need lasers! lasers are not practical! if you want laser like weapons, the only thing practical is microwaves which could be used well in specific circumstances STOP TALKING ABOUT LASERS! THIS IS NOT STAR WARS! LASERS ARE OVERRATED!

Antimatter/warp drive: WOH SLOW DOWN! ANTIMATTER? antimatter and warp drives are ssooooooooooo far away from being useable for propulsion or ant other thing, plus warp drives are not even a concept yet! did you read the beginning of the topic! this is pre fusion proposition, there is NO WAY we will have anything like that before fusion! EMP: manual controls? last time i checked, you could not just shift to manual in a spacecraft and a rudder pops out the back for steering. if one was to use and EMP an a manned ship, the person would have no life support, no way to control their hydraulic engine, no way to increase/decrease thrust, no way to do anything, almost everything in a spacecraft is electronic. Fighters why would fighters not be useful?? maybe you have the wrong idea of what a fighter is. i have a feeling that most people think of fighter jets: large fast metal objects with lots of missiles, this does not fit this topic. why don't use very small craft the size of a microwave, with a machine gun on the front? you could have swarms of thousands on thousands of these, who cares if you just got 10 with a flak cannon? you have 10000 more. these small bots could reduce the usefulness of capital ships in a battlefield to 0, because the small possibly ion power craft could sneak into areas unseen or safe from a turrets firing arch and slowly saw away at the hull of a massive ship or space station. also these would cost almost nothing to make and weigh almost nothing. Capital ships the only ever use for a capital ship would be as a support unit, or mobile base (like an aircraft carrier) this massive ship would reload, repair and be a center for all the pilots of the drones to be (to reduce lag from transmission to reception). these might have a few heavy weapons to bombard a fortification from far away, and maybe some small emergency defenses, but these ships would never see combat. (like an aircraft carrier). all the fighting would be done by the disposable drones. Jamming/hacking do you see predator drones being hacked? i don't! i rest my case. (hacking is not easy, it can take months to hack something) (Jamming this kind of transmission is nearly impossible in this time) AI in my theory, dodging and evading things would be AI, the fighting and piloting would be human (i doubt we will have super intelligent AI at that time) Lasers! Ummmm, lasers are really inefficient and will probably never be used in combat other than with disabling large missile from a base or large ship. kinetic propelled weapons will be more practical and effective. ie railguns, normal guns (propulsion techniques will have to be modified for space) lasers are still pretty Sci-fi. THIS IS NOT STAR WARS!

most fighters would not be manned by humans the would definitely be remotely piloted, this would remove any need for life support and would be better for the long trips that would be necessary for this fight, they would all probably super small so they could seek in very small areas and cause lots of damage. the problem with your second statement is that most navel ships don't actually see combat, and when they do, they are launching missiles at each other a long ranges or being bombed by airplanes, thus they do not need to be maneuverable. and with aircraft carriers, they are only for support and never actually engage in combat. if you were to use capital ships, they would not be meant for combat, they would be like aircraft carriers and would be used for refuels and reloads as well as commanding the drones you would use for combat. these ship would be kept well away from any fight because they would not be maneuverable and useful in a combat situation besides from refuel/reload. nukes are still massively useful, they would have a much small useful blast radius, but if you just take into account how large that sill would be, its sill an awesome weapon, but things like railguns would be a extremely useful weapon here.

It seems to me that i would be more likely that these wars would not use massie ships, these kinds of this would be hugely vulnerable to asteroids and explosive device like nukes, it would be more likely to be a fight with missiles and covert ops. another problem with capital ships would be that they would be a ***** to maneuver or speed up/slow down, also you could make lots of tiny small robots to tear at the hull of giant ships. not to mention the resources that it would take to make a ship capable of keeping an entire battle fleet going.

look at the rockes in the game, they are huge!

just do i the planetary annihilation style, strap some very large rockets to a small moon and slam it into mars, it its big enough there is not much you can do about it (planetary annihilation is an awesome game that depicts this war quite well)

score so far 1 5thHorseman with 6 parts

The decoppler dose not count, neither the the rocket, sorry about not explaining that. but you cant have more then one rocket!

Fist score board! (so far) 1st place: Aphobius with 12:16:50 2nd place: Oxytropis with 1:17:39:08 Congrats so far! Looking forward to more posts!

Thanks Oxytropis for the first submission, i cant wait to see more, i wait to about 5-10 before i give the scores. and ill keep scoring beyond that if more people show up!

In this challenge i want to see someone simply make it to the Mun, no part restrictions except use only stock parts and no other restriction except you can only be i cockpit view! ,No map, no MecJeb and no maneuver nodes! I would love to see vids and pics of your wonderful adventure to the Mun! Rules: You can only use cockpit view! You must get to the Mun and back without taking any damage! No mods! No maneuver nodes! Player who dose it fastest wins, please post pics of your Mun landing, and a pic of your kerban landing and a pic of your ship on the launch pad! the winner wins $50000 imaginary dollars! Debug consul is not aloud First score board! (so far) 1st place: Aphobius with 12:26:50 2nd place: Oxytropis with 1:17:39:08 Congrats so far! Looking forward to more posts!

Each stage must only have 1 part except the last part, batteries/electronics don,t count as a part except in the event of a tie and pretty much everything in the control/utilities section.

In this challenge, you have to safely land on the Mun using only 2 stages! Rules: 1. Only 2 stages! (Each stage must only have 1 part!) that means only 2 parts can come off your ship when you go there! (anything in utilities/control tabs do not count as a part unless there is a tie. 2. Your ship cant take any damage! 3. Your Kerbal has to plant a flag on the Mun to win. If more then two people make it, whoever has the least parts wins 4. Stock parts only! 5. If you make it back you get $5000 imaginary dollars! (in not sure if this part is possible) 6. YES THIS IS POSSIBLE! 7. Post pics/vids of your ship and adventures! 8. The decoppler dose not count, neither the the rocket, sorry about not explaining that. but you cant have more then one rocket! 9. a part is anything you can click on in the VAB! score so far 1 5thHorseman with 6 parts

yes, and it is possible, i have gotten 3/4 out of Jools atmosphere with a spaceplane

I want to see someone build a ship big enough to escape Jools atmosphere from the ground yet small enough to survive the pressure! or just build a base on jool with at least 5 buildings! I f you don't believe you can land on Jool read this: Please post pics of you fails/accomplishments. Also i will allow people to use infinite fuel going to Jool. but not the landing and taking off, ONLY if you are escaping. if you are making a base do it legit. I post my own attempt here too.

I had just gotten my big interplanetary rocket finished to go to Jool when a massive fuel tank from an asparagus staged rocket hit it and kill all of my 20 kerbals! I was going to make a base on Laythe. since that tragic indecent I have not yet re-constructed my massive rocket.

Moho is fun, but only if you have rcs to be able to get out of the Moholes. otherwise your poor sweet rover will be stuck forever in a deep hole.

yea! i would like that, and more planets!

i love career all i want now is more planets mining and a hole lot more stuff!

I want to see someone build a ship big enough to escape jools atmosphere from the ground yet small enoghf to survive the pressure! or just build a base on jool with at least 5 buildings!