Strictly Engines

[sp1989]

I have been on these forums for a while now. Let me be clear however I am not a modder and I am just an extremely grateful consumer. This community gives so much and creates truly remarkable things!. There are tanks, stickers, new ways of doing science, transports, colonization, space station building. There are mods dedicated to space shuttles and replicas and historical rockets, models of rockets that could and shouldn't be. However at least in my looking there are no mod packs dedicated to just engines. Not mod packs or part packs that just so happen to feature engines that act like real life ones. I am talking about a mod pack of just engines. No tanks just engines! I am talking about making a pack that features some of the most important engines throughout history and putting them into an engine pack. I know that all of the engines in game are designed to resemble or act like real life engines. Im talking about making a kerbalized F-1 and saying ok thats the mainsail. Im saying lets make a stockalike f1, stock alike rd-180, stock alike lr-87, stock alike rl-10s. stock alike merlin engines, j2, all of the important engines that are used to day or were used extensively throughout history. Not just american but Russian, Chinese, european. Listen I know there are packs out there that do all of this. Yes you can point me towards KW Rocketry, Nova Punch, Bobcats Soviet Engines, KSLO, Bobcats Soviet Pack, Launchers Pack, FASA, I've play with them ALL! I am just looking for a pack that encompasses them all, but just the engines and just the important ones and most versatile. The other issue is if you want something resembling what I am asking for you need to install 30 mods and be a rocket scientist to use them. So Im not asking for a Realism Overhaul or RSS type deal. I like KSP as is I just wish the engines were more realistic and diverse.

So my question is can someone make a stockalike pack of historical and modern engines that look and feel like the real things, but work for peoples needs in KSP? Again please I know about most packs, I have been playing KSP and been on these forums for a very long time. Im just curious and I don't have a super computer that can handle 40 mod packs of different engines, tanks, and utility parts. Just the engines thank you.

Edited March 19, 2015 by Niemand303
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[sashan]

Ven's stock revamp has a nice selection of different formfactors of stock engines with custom improved models.

The only engines that are lacking in stock game are monopropellant ones, besides that OMS engine. And the 1.25m one with a thrust of around 400kN. I use RLA's stockalike Spinnaker upscaled to 1.25m from 0.625m for that.

You should get RLA stockalike. It is a very nice mod that simply adds useful set of good parts without changing the feel or look of the game.

[Mecripp]

I hope this gets somewhere it would be nice and there are some good open source engine one is a F1 and the Altas V but there isn't much IMO for lander engines.

EDIT- Rocketdyne F-1 Liquid Engine by 1096bimu (Saturn V main engines) http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/47892-0-21-X-Rocketdyne-F-1-Liquid-Engine-%28Saturn-V-main-engines%29-UPDATED-v1-2

Atlas V Parts - by BahamutoD http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/59701-Atlas-V-Parts-for-RO-RSS

EDIT- Also has 2 engines by BahamutoD http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/76841-%28RSS-RO%29-Constellation-Essentials-v1-3-1-Trusses-Engines-Adapters-%28Apr21%29 And I know you know of a mod that has the same 2 engines with a nice re-texture job

Edited March 19, 2015 by Mecripp2

[sp1989]

Ven's stock revamp has a nice selection of different formfactors of stock engines with custom improved models.

The only engines that are lacking in stock game are monopropellant ones, besides that OMS engine. And the 1.25m one with a thrust of around 400kN. I use RLA's stockalike Spinnaker upscaled to 1.25m from 0.625m for that.

You should get RLA stockalike. It is a very nice mod that simply adds useful set of good parts without changing the feel or look of the game.

I used RLA for a while its a great mod with a good selection of engines and I use Vens revamp now, not just for the engines but mainly for the way the capsules and solar panels look. Lets say for example you want to start a career game with MKS/OKS and Karbonite. They are large but pretty managable mods. Now you want a diverse selection of engines, so you pick rla, fasa, and kw. Along with the dependencies of those mods the dependencies of mks/oks karbonites. Some realism and helpful mods like trajectories, real chutes, dr, tac life support, and all of a sudden your gamdata folder is 20-30 mods deep. Thats really my point, there are a decent selection of tank mods like fuel tank plus and even kw, with a simple engine pack you cut your gamedata folder in half. A strictly engine mods gives you alot of dversity to pursue other things instead of a whole pack like kw or nova or b9.

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I hope this gets somewhere it would be nice and there are some good open source engine one is a F1 and the Altas V but there isn't much IMO for lander engines.

Yea I know Snowhite is working on great little stockalike pack with some nice engines but again I am just looking for a pack of engines. Not an Atlas replica or a stockalike replica but just and rd-180 stock alike thing. I can do the rest.

[Mecripp]

Mainly have a good heavy launcher with a multi-upper stages for a handful of jobs ?

[zilfondel]

I have the RLA stockalike mod installed and honestly, it fills in the gaps between quite a few of the smaller engine niches. I also have Near Future installed, and then there's KW Rocketry for your big moving needs.

[sp1989]

Mainly have a good heavy launcher with a multi-upper stages for a handful of jobs ?

Yea but a pack that would appeal to the stock players and the replica players. See I am moody when it comes to ksp. I can wake up and wipe my save folder clean and start from scratch with a different vision. Like I can install, FASA, CSS, ISS, Raidernicks, probes and stations, and do completely historical and replica missions. I could be in the middle of building the ISS, I will wipe it clean because now I want to start a career with colonization in mind. Then I want to build super station around laythe. And undoubtedly everytime I get caught up about how to do these things. I personally think I am pretty good at designing things and making them functional and looking good however my issue is getting them there. I either over power things (the kerbal way) but more often then not I am underfueled and lost in space. So if there was a selection of engines where the job was defined for each engine I think that would really help not only me but the entire community.

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I have the RLA stockalike mod installed and honestly, it fills in the gaps between quite a few of the smaller engine niches. I also have Near Future installed, and then there's KW Rocketry for your big moving needs.

Thats what I mean you just mentioned 3 different mods to fulfill your needs. Do you honestly use all the parts in near future and KW? With just an engine pack you could fulfill all your engine needs with one pack. And if you so choose KW and NF for batteries and landing legs that would be your choice.

[Niemand303]

I think this thread should belong to "General Add-On Affairs". Moving it now.

[Mecripp]

My bad thought you was looking for engines to somewhat make a pack and know what you mean on what you feel like doing in KSP today lol but most the time, I make a new install to play with and then forget what one, I was do what in.

Edited March 20, 2015 by Mecripp2

[sp1989]

My bad thought you was looking for engines to somewhat make a pack and know what you mean on what you feel like doing in KSP today lol but most the time, I make a new install to play with and then forget what one, I was do what in.

EDIT- Snowhite wish lol

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72893034/craft1.pnghttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72893034/craft2.png

Thats what I am trying to get here. A whole bunch of engines like that. Not exactly a replica but not exactly stock that function as well as they look.

[Sampa]

perhaps not, but they appear to be quite flexible enough for the tasks we give them. However, we COULD still use a few more engines to increase spacecraft capability

[Van Disaster]

Can I point out you don't have to install all of a parts pack? I just use the engines from KW because I've used them for a while, but you could just use the engines from whatever other more or less "realistic" part packs you wanted. To fill the requirements of this thread you could just write an uninstaller script, tell everyone to "install mods a b c and then run this" and just leave behind a set of engines from all of them.

[sp1989]

Can I point out you don't have to install all of a parts pack? I just use the engines from KW because I've used them for a while, but you could just use the engines from whatever other more or less "realistic" part packs you wanted. To fill the requirements of this thread you could just write an uninstaller script, tell everyone to "install mods a b c and then run this" and just leave behind a set of engines from all of them.

Thats one part fulfilled, however the second part of my (wish) request is that the engines be like real life engines in look and performance. Not just one or the other.

[Van Disaster]

Thats one part fulfilled, however the second part of my (wish) request is that the engines be like real life engines in look and performance. Not just one or the other.

There are redone configs for engines around, for RealFuels/RealismOverhaul installs - that would solve the other half. I don't currently use either so I don't know exactly what's available, but I'm sure someone's probably already sitting on altered configs for everything by now.

Without at least using RealFuels any talk of matching real life performance is moot.

[sp1989]

There are redone configs for engines around, for RealFuels/RealismOverhaul installs - that would solve the other half. I don't currently use either so I don't know exactly what's available, but I'm sure someone's probably already sitting on altered configs for everything by now.

Without at least using RealFuels any talk of matching real life performance is moot.

Well that's why this is a request strictly for an engine pack. An engine pack of diverse engines that represent real life engines and perform like real life engines. I am not talking about real fuel configs and cryogenics. I'm talking about adding an engine pack that can work with the stock game and add a lot of value to gameplay right out of the box. I'm talking about JUST engines. No configs, no combination of 10 mods. One more time, just engines that look and feel like the real thing but play well in stock ksp.

[Van Disaster]

Well that's why this is a request strictly for an engine pack. An engine pack of diverse engines that represent real life engines and perform like real life engines. I am not talking about real fuel configs and cryogenics. I'm talking about adding an engine pack that can work with the stock game and add a lot of value to gameplay right out of the box. I'm talking about JUST engines. No configs, no combination of 10 mods. One more time, just engines that look and feel like the real thing but play well in stock ksp.

Except there's other considerations like mass ratios of tanks and fuel densities to consider, which is what the other mods fix while they're making engines which perform accurately. You can't just pick one thing. You can make everything perform relative correctly if you pick a reference point in the stock KSP universe, but until your universe is an absolute match for real life then nothing else in it is going to perform absolutely correctly. Engines don't even work right in the current version, how are you going to make them "feel like the real thing"?

[Deltervees]

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What mods are those?

[sp1989]

Except there's other considerations like mass ratios of tanks and fuel densities to consider, which is what the other mods fix while they're making engines which perform accurately. You can't just pick one thing. You can make everything perform relative correctly if you pick a reference point in the stock KSP universe, but until your universe is an absolute match for real life then nothing else in it is going to perform absolutely correctly. Engines don't even work right in the current version, how are you going to make them "feel like the real thing"?

What do you mean? I don't think you quite understand what I am talking about. I apologize if I am not being clear. I am looking for a STOCK ENGINE pack. For example I am not looking for an engine to work exactly like and RD-180. However I am looking for an rd-180 that looks and has comparable thrust of an rd-180. Efficient like an rd-180. The feel of the real thing comes from the performance of the engine (rd-180) being able to launch a multitude of kerbal payload into LKO. Then a rl10 engine that is extremely efficient that looks like an rl10 but as I said not a replica, but close enough for avid fans to know its an rl10 to finish the journey into orbit. Essentially allowing players to create an atlas series of rockets. With proc fairings and other mods combined with this engine pack you could create anything. But as I have said a few times now. No such pack exists that features strictly engines. Or engines that are truly comparable in both performance AND style to real life ones. Yea KW might have an engine that looks like a J2 however it is far to big and powerful to be versatile. FASA has these engines but they are exact replicas. AIES might have an engine that looks like and lr-87 but its nowhere near powerful enough to be a main engine. Even if you tweaked all of these things and made a super folder of reconfigured mods now you have to worry about memory, and even if you trimmed down the mod packs to just the ones you wanted it could still push the memory limit for people with weak computers. Besides that, all of that work could take a very long time and is inconvenient. You are right the KSP is not perfect but all I am asking for is a more diverse selection of engines that just so happen to look like real life engines, both historical and modern.

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What mods are those?

The mods he used look like KSLO by Blackheart, KW Rocketry for the fairings, and the RD-180 is an engine from a stockalike engine pack being worked on by snowwhite and can be found here.

[Mecripp]

The RD-180 is by BahamutoD has posted on page 1 for the Atlas V, I did rescale it and played with the texture alittle and thrust but for the most part sp1989 got it right.

And sorry sp1989 thought that snowwhite was a joke before, I clicked on that link and seen thats who is working on the stockalike parts.

[John FX]

In any threads I see about engines I try to promote a 100kn low profile engine for landers. It should have good ISP in atmo and vacuum and fairly light. It should be roughly equivalent to a couple of 909 50kn engines (IIRC)

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What do you mean? I don't think you quite understand what I am talking about. I apologize if I am not being clear. I am looking for a STOCK ENGINE pack. For example I am not looking for an engine to work exactly like and RD-180. However I am looking for an rd-180 that looks and has comparable thrust of an rd-180. Efficient like an rd-180. The feel of the real thing comes from the performance of the engine (rd-180) being able to launch a multitude of kerbal payload into LKO.

The feel of the real thing comes in using it to launch payloads into orbit from the planet that designed it (Earth to LEO). Kerbin simply isn't going to work since it takes less than half the delta-V to get to orbit than Earth, which means that the engines really need to be balanced differently, be heavier, etc... It's just not going to feel like an RD-180 if you launch from Kerbin. For maximum "feel", I recommend a full RO setup.

However, you might want to check out something like BobCat's Soviet Engine Pack. FASA has a lot of replica engines as well, and the pack is fairly easy to prune (although I wish all the engines were in one place).

[Yemo]

In any threads I see about engines I try to promote a 100kn low profile engine for landers. It should have good ISP in atmo and vacuum and fairly light. It should be roughly equivalent to a couple of 909 50kn engines (IIRC)

3 to 1 adapter, tweakscaled + 3 times Rockomax 48-7S

or 2 to 1 adapter, tweakscaled + 2 times LV-909

or 2 Mk-55 engines, tweakscaled to 0.66 or so

[sp1989]

The feel of the real thing comes in using it to launch payloads into orbit from the planet that designed it (Earth to LEO). Kerbin simply isn't going to work since it takes less than half the delta-V to get to orbit than Earth, which means that the engines really need to be balanced differently, be heavier, etc... It's just not going to feel like an RD-180 if you launch from Kerbin. For maximum "feel", I recommend a full RO setup.

However, you might want to check out something like BobCat's Soviet Engine Pack. FASA has a lot of replica engines as well, and the pack is fairly easy to prune (although I wish all the engines were in one place).

Check the OP

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Check the OP

Mod packs are generally frowned upon around here due to disparate licenses and general courtesy to other modders preventing that sort of thing. CKAN and a good knowledge of how to prune mods are your friends.

[sp1989]

Mod packs are generally frowned upon around here due to disparate licenses and general courtesy to other modders preventing that sort of thing. CKAN and a good knowledge of how to prune mods are your friends.

I hear you, and I have and know how to manage mods. I'm also not asking for a mod pack. In looking for someone who might be intrested in making an engine pack that look like real world engines but function effectively in game. For example once again. Someone could make main engine that looks like an rd180 BUT give it the strength of the mainsail with a little more efficiency? I'm not asking for replicas. Just a larger variety of engines and oh they just so happen to look like real life engines. I'm talking about making an engine that looks like an rl10 but ha the lvl909 stats. Thats all I mean. And I know I know I know I know, about FASA, AIES, Bobcats engines, kslo, etc. My request for Strictly Engines.