1.03?

[Bill Phil]

And so he encourages developers to leave glaring errors in. Because we apparently can deal with it.

Fanyboyism to the extreme.

I'm not encouraging the devs to leave it in. I'm encouraging YOU, fellow gamer, to avoid the memory leaks by not using the thing that causes them. Works like a charm.

Edited May 3, 2015 by diomedea
cleaning...

[Bill Phil]

I didn't post the below, for instance, for fear of being accused of spamming (see - accusational posts get us nowhere). So here you go. Check the edit part:

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/118758-Why-was-adding-aerodynamic-stability-removed?p=1896255&viewfull=1#post1896255

16 tiny wing parts = 550 m/s difference. I should make an argument flowchart at this point and just repost that. But hey, I'm just whining so it doesn't matter.

So... Why didn't you just link to this in the first place? Why are you going around and whining, dragging this whole thing out, when you could just make this a thread in and of itself? Or maybe a blog? Why?

And that's more of a quirk. Hey, 1.0, 1.0.1, and 1.0.2 aren't 100% realistic, you know. And I thought you wanted creativity and the like?

There is a huge difference between actually posting evidence, a good argument, etc. and posting a complaint that's just whining. The difference is very large, and you shouldn't just complain, you should say:

"Here's a post about it, I linked to it instead of just repeating myself."

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You're the one telling us to "deal with it" when we point out issues and request fixes for them. But I realize it is futile arguing with a fanboy, so I'll let it drop here.

No. I'm telling you to deal with it, when you whine.

Here, let me analyze what you said:

I, for one, am not willing to deal with memory leak of those heat bars.

"I", meaning you...

"For one", prep phrase, not really important here...

"Am not willing to deal with", basically saying you're boycotting trying to do something to stop it... refusing to listen to reason is now checked on the list, btw.

"Memory leaks of those heat bars", specifying what you won't deal with, or what you won't listen to reason about.

[TheMoonRover]

Mipe, he's just explaining how to avoid the memory leaks from the heat bars: by not using them, until such a time that they are fixed.

Seriously guys, just chill. Enough of the negativity.

EDIT: And by negativity I mean arguing with each other and assuming the worst possible intentions.

[Mipe]

Fair enough.

I just want to point out that as a game developer (who also works with Unity), memory leaks are NOT acceptable, avoidable or not. There already are dozens of memory leaks inside the game (some more years old!) and we're continuously told "deal with it".

So do forgive me if I blow my lid whenever some smart aleck tells me to deal with it.

[Bill Phil]

Fair enough.

I just want to point out that as a game developer (who also works with Unity), memory leaks are NOT acceptable, avoidable or not. There already are dozens of memory leaks inside the game (some more years old!) and we're continuously told "deal with it".

So do forgive me if I blow my lid whenever some smart aleck tells me to deal with it.

I was trying to use a more casual "deal with it" in:

"That's a way to deal with it."

Dealing with problems, solving them, while waiting for the Devs to fix any actual problems, is what I was referring to.

[CaptainKipard]

Guys version numbers go:

• 1.0
  
• 1.0.1
  
• 1.0.2
  
• 1.0.x
  
• ...
  
• 1.01
  
• 1.01.x
  
• ...
  
• 1.02
  
• 1.02.x
  
• ...
  
• 1.03
  
• 1.03.x
  
• etc
  

1.03 =/= 1.0.3

Edited May 3, 2015 by Cpt. Kipard

[Mipe]

I was trying to use a more casual "deal with it" in:

"That's a way to deal with it."

Dealing with problems, solving them, while waiting for the Devs to fix any actual problems, is what I was referring to.

I want to agree with you on this, I really do. But some of those memory leaks are YEARS old. Are you going to keep telling me "deal with it, it'll be fixed... eventually"?

[Bill Phil]

I want to agree with you on this, I really do. But some of those memory leaks are YEARS old. Are you going to keep telling me "deal with it, it'll be fixed... eventually"?

I don't know which ones you are referring to...

[allmhuran]

I feel like there are still some pretty major issues in 1.0.2 and that a 1.0.3 might not be too far away. Some are legit bugs (such as the memory leak) others are questionable design decisions that need a little more refinement.

Anyone want to tell me I'm bad and need to L2P?

.

[klgraham1013]

Ever thought they screwed up 1.0 and the original plan called for more drag? Or that they thought about it, and decided that more part nerfs would kill the already nerfed parts, so they upped the drag.

Seriously. Just

DEAL WITH IT

for once and stop whining.

I, for one, am not willing to deal with memory leak of those heat bars.

Don't use them, then. That's a way to deal with it.

You're kidding, right? You must be kidding. I hope you hold your car mechanic to higher standards.

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If you pay money for a product, you're allowed to expect a certain standard of production.

[Bill Phil]

You're kidding, right? You must be kidding. I hope you hold your car mechanic to higher standards.

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If you pay money for a product, you're allowed to expect a certain standard of production.

Yes, and if that product is still in the stages of being built, one must accept that they have to live with its shortcomings.

KSP isn't done, so it isn't finished being built. It's in a stage where a lot of it is finished, and it does what the devs wanted it to do. But it's not done.

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I feel like there are still some pretty major issues in 1.0.2 and that a 1.0.3 might not be too far away. Some are legit bugs (such as the memory leak) others are questionable design decisions that need a little more refinement.

Anyone want to tell me I'm bad and need to L2P?

.

Who here is telling you to learn to play? I'm telling you to accept the shortcomings, notify Squad of them, and then work around them.

[CaptainKipard]

Yes, and if that product is still in the stages of being built...

Let me stop you right there. Unless we accept that KSP is 1.0 IN NAME ONLY you have no leg to stand on here.

[allmhuran]

I'm telling you to accept the shortcomings, notify Squad of them, and then work around them.

If you think we should notify squad of the shortcomings then you don't think we should accept them. I'm not suggesting everyone is being nice and calm and moderate in their criticism, and I don't personally think things are nearly as bad as some people evidently do, but perhaps you have to accept that when people are frustrated they vent, and that's OK. That's people "notifying squad" about how they feel. When you have two updates within a day and both within a week of the "proper release", and one of those updates introduces a memory leak - memory leaks being something that has frustrated players for a long time - I would say a bit of negative feedback is pretty legit.

Edited May 3, 2015 by allmhuran

[Bill Phil]

Let me stop you right there. Unless we accept that KSP is 1.0 IN NAME ONLY you have no leg to stand on here.

Stopping me right there means you missed the explanation afterwards, I suggest reading it.

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If you think we should notify squad of the shortcomings then you don't think we should accept them. I'm not suggesting everyone is being nice and calm and moderate in their criticism, and I don't personally think things are nearly as bad as some people evidently do, but perhaps you have to accept that when people are frustrated they vent, and that's OK. That's people "notifying squad" about how they feel. When you have two updates within a day and both within a week of the "proper release", and one of those updates introduces a memory leak - memory leaks being something that has frustrated players for a long time - I would say a bit of negative feedback is pretty legit.

Not that kind of feedback. Just downright complaining. Whining. That's not helpful.

I'm fine with venting, but doing it on the forums is a waste. Vent somewhere else, and then come back ready to be constructive.

I think you should notify Squad of the shortcomings, and then work around them while waiting for Squad to fix them. You accept that they exist, and then you go to Squad, notify them calmly and not just whining, and then while you wait you work around the problem. Then it gets fixed, or not. But nothing is stopping you from working around the problem.

[DoToH]

Is this one of those 'i'm too bad to deal with simple game mechanics, so i'm gonna call them broken and cry for a fix' threads?

Reentry heat doesn't work. If asking to correct it is crying, I'll cry too.

[Bill Phil]

Reentry heat doesn't work. If asking to correct it is crying, I'll cry too.

Are you talking about how it's weak?

[DoToH]

Are you talking about how it's weak?

[katateochi]

Don't use them, then. That's a way to deal with it.

So, remember to press F10 every single time you launch, quickload or switch to a craft?! That's not exactly a well designed user flow. The heat bars are like the aero-force indicators, a useful debugging tool but not thing you want on by default (regardless of memory issues), aero-force indicators are off by default, the heat bars should also be off by default.

[Rainbowtrout]

Could we calm down please? Things like this give a bad impression to new players, and I'm sure that there is a decent way to go about making your complaints heard.

All the best

(This is a chill pill.)

[DoToH]

Things like this give a bad impression to new players

Maybe SQUAD should have thought that before "hotfixing":

SQUAD fixed the heatshield bug. Same hotfix made heatshields useless.

SQUAD fixes overheating in ISRU mechanics removing overheating from ISRU mechanics.

And WE are the ones who give a bad impression???

[treejoe4]

Is this one of those 'i'm too bad to deal with simple game mechanics, so i'm gonna call them broken and cry for a fix' threads?

1.02 made re entry even easier

[TheMoonRover]

(This is a chill pill.)

Maybe SQUAD should have thought that before "hotfixing"

SQUAD fixed the heatshield bug. Same hotfix made heatshields useless.

SQUAD fixes overheating in ISRU mechanics removing overheating from ISRU mechanics.

And WE are the ones who give a bad impression???

I'm not sure it worked.

I could have sworn the thread got locked.

Edited May 3, 2015 by TheMoonRover
Fixed quotes

[CaptainKipard]

Stopping me right there means you missed the explanation afterwards, I suggest reading it.

That's not how this works. My point is that calling a game 1.0 and "not finished" is not consistent.

[John FX]

Just downright complaining. Whining. That's not helpful.

I'm fine with venting, but doing it on the forums is a waste. Vent somewhere else, and then come back ready to be constructive.

I would respectfully ask you to take your own advice and reduce your whining about how people post on the forum. You are not coming across very well...

Myself I would welcome a 1.0.3 hotfix. While there are a vastly reduced number of issues compared to 1.0 or 1.0.1 or 1.0.2 the temperature gauge issue is catastrophic and IMHO needs fixing before the next major update.

Add me to the number of people who would like a 1.0.3 hotfix

In the mean time I'll keep pressing F10 every time I change scene to avoid the whole game crashing like my planes in Nu-FAR.

[Cdr_Zeta]

This post...

I lost the original intent of the OP...maybe 1.0 was rushed? Ya and maybe this thread is done and we need to move on and help Squad fix it.

Zetadude