Dark Matter

[mpc755]

Non sequitur. There is absolutely no reason why you should observe detector signal from both.

So, now the particle physically travels through both slits, exits both slits and is only detected exiting a single slit?

All this nonsense in order to not understand wave-particle duality is a moving particle and it's associated wave.

[SargeRho]

So, now the particle physically travels through both slits, exits both slits and is only detected exiting a single slit?

Exactly. Waveform Collapse.

[K^2]

So, now the particle physically travels through both slits, exits both slits and is only detected exiting a single slit?

All this nonsense in order to not understand wave-particle duality is a moving particle and it's associated wave.

You are still not posting any computations. Go. Do math. Come back with results.

[mpc755]

Exactly. Waveform Collapse.

Complete nonsense.

Double slit experiments have been.performed with C60 molecules, that's 60 interconnected atoms. Are you telling me there are 120 atoms physically travelling through both slits and only 60 are detected exiting a single slit?

Are you telling me 40 atoms travel through one slit and 20 through the other and when it interacts with the detector it is a single molecule again?

Just saying 'wavefunction collapse' does not explain what is occurring PHYSICALLY in nature.

When a double slit experiment is performed with a C60 molecule the molecule travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave in the dark mass which passes through all of the slits.

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You are still not posting any computations. Go. Do math. Come back with results.

Come back when you can explain how it is the particle exits both slits and is only detected by one of the detectors.

Come back when you can explain how when a double slit experiment is performed with a C60 molecule, and according to you the C60 molecule passes through all of the slits, that when there are detectors at the exits to the slits all 60 atoms are always detected exiting a single slit and none exit the other.

In a double slit experiment, the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit and the associated wave in the dark mass passes through all of the slits.

Edited August 26, 2015 by mpc755

[John FX]

Scientific Theory must make testable predictions, and these predictions must pass the test. Everything else, as the classic noted, is stamp collection.

I`m sure Mr Feynman would agree with this sentiment strongly, as do I.

"It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong."

[mpc755]

I`m sure Mr Feynman would agree with this sentiment strongly, as do I.

"It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong."

[mpc755]

All mainstream physics has to do is understand 'empty' space has mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it and the nonsense associated with it is corrected.

Edited August 26, 2015 by mpc755

[Rakaydos]

Im almost convinced mpc is a turning spambot. His arguments are literal copy pastes of each other, even when refuted earlier.

If so, I congradulate mpc's creator.

[cypher_00]

All mainstream physics has to do is understand 'empty' space has mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it and the nonsense associated with it is corrected.

Mainstream science does not have to do anything because you have not been able to deliver any empirical evidence to support the hypothesis that empty space has mass.

[mpc755]

Mainstream science does not have to do anything because you have not been able to deliver any empirical evidence to support the hypothesis that empty space has mass.

'Dark matter' is now understood to fill what would otherwise be considered to be empty space.

'Cosmologists at Penn Weigh Cosmic Filaments and Voids'

http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/cosmologists-penn-weigh-cosmic-filaments-and-voids

"Dark matter ... permeate all the way to the center of the voids."

'No Empty Space in the Universe --Dark Matter Discovered to Fill Intergalactic Space'

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/02/no-empty-space-in-the-universe-dark-matter-discovered-to-fill-intergalactic-space-.html

"A long standing mystery on where the missing dark matter is has been solved by the research. There is no empty space in the universe. The intergalactic space is filled with dark matter."

I use the term 'dark mass' to describe the mass which fills 'empty' space. Particles of matter move through and displace the dark mass, including 'particles' as large as galaxies and galaxy clusters.

In the following two articles the aether is what waves in a double slit experiment. In the first article the aether has mass. In other words, it is the dark mass that waves in a double slit experiment.

'From the Newton's laws to motions of the fluid and superfluid vacuum: vortex tubes, rings, and others'

http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.3900

"This medium, called also the aether, has mass and is populated by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it" ...

... and displace it.

'EPR program: a local interpretation of QM'

http://arxiv.org/abs/1412.5612

"Wave particle duality is described as the compound system of point particle plus accompanying wave (in the æther)."

Q. Why is the particle always detected traveling through a single slit in a double slit experiment?

A. The particle always travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave in the dark mass which passes through both.

The wave of wave-particle duality is a wave in the dark mass.

Here are some articles where the observed physical phenomenon is correctly described by the matter moving through and displacing the dark mass.

'Galactic Pile-Up May Point to Mysterious New Dark Force in the Universe'

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/01/musket-ball-dark-force/

"The reason this is strange is that dark matter is thought to barely interact with itself. The dark matter should just coast through itself and move at the same speed as the hardly interacting galaxies. Instead, it looks like the dark matter is crashing into something  perhaps itself – and slowing down faster than the galaxies are. But this would require the dark matter to be able to interact with itself in a completely new an unexpected way, a “dark force†that affects only dark matter."

It's not a new force. It's the dark mass displaced by each of the galaxy clusters interacting analogous to the bow waves of two boats which pass by each other.

'The Milky Way's dark matter halo appears to be lopsided'

http://arxiv.org/abs/0903.3802

"the emerging picture of the dark matter halo of the Milky Way is dominantly lopsided in nature."

The Milky Way's halo is not a clump of dark matter traveling along with the Milky Way. The Milky Way's halo is lopsided due to the matter in the Milky Way moving through and displacing the dark mass.

'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'

http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.1475

"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."

The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through and displacing the dark mass. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring as the galaxy clusters move through and displace the dark mass.

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html

"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."

The 'pond' consists of dark mass. The galaxy clusters are moving through and displacing the dark mass. The ripple created when galaxy clusters collide is a wave in the dark mass.

What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the dark mass.

Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality; both are waves in the dark mass.

Dark mass displaced by matter relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.

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Someone posts that I have not provided any evidence that 'empty' space has mass. Then I post an article which says, "There is no empty space in the universe. The intergalactic space is filled with dark matter.". Then someone posts that I have not provided any evidence that 'empty' space has mass. Then I post an article which says, "There is no empty space in the universe. The intergalactic space is filled with dark matter.". ...

And on and on it goes all in order so people don't have to correctly understand what occurs physically in nature.

You are able to understand in a boat double slit experiment the boat travels through a single slit and the bow wave passes through both, correct?

'Empty' space has mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.

The wave of wave-particle duality is a wave in the mass which fills 'empty' space.

Do you know why the particle is always detected traveling through a single slit in a double slit experiment? Because it always travels through a single slit.

[SargeRho]

Complete nonsense.

Double slit experiments have been.performed with C60 molecules, that's 60 interconnected atoms. Are you telling me there are 120 atoms physically travelling through both slits and only 60 are detected exiting a single slit?

Are you telling me 40 atoms travel through one slit and 20 through the other and when it interacts with the detector it is a single molecule again?

Just saying 'wavefunction collapse' does not explain what is occurring PHYSICALLY in nature.

When a double slit experiment is performed with a C60 molecule the molecule travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave in the dark mass which passes through all of the slits.

No. There are 60 atoms traveling along every possible path. Until you measure them, at which point they will be in one very confined region of space. You would not expect to measure the molecule exiting both slits, because that would require it to magically duplicate itself.

Particle-Wave duality does not mean that it's sometimes a wave and sometimes a particle. It means that it's always both. The reason the term particle-wave duality exists is because English is inadequate to describe quantum-mechanical processes. Only Mathematics is.

All mainstream physics has to do is understand 'empty' space has mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it and the nonsense associated with it is corrected.

You're talking about the Higgs Field. But you're not really. Empty space doesn't have mass, most particles gain their mass from interacting with the Higgs Field, as far as I understand it.

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[mpc755]

No. There are 60 atoms traveling along every possible path.

The notion that 60 atoms are each traveling every possible path then form a C60 molecule upon detection is utter nonsense. The C60 molecule is a particle which has an associated wave in the dark mass.

Until you measure them, at which point they will be in one very confined region of space.

The C60 molecule is always a particle which has an associated wave.

You would not expect to measure the molecule exiting both slits, because that would require it to magically duplicate itself.

You would not expect to measure the molecule exiting both slits because the molecule always travels through a single slit,.

Particle-Wave duality does not mean that it's sometimes a wave and sometimes a particle. It means that it's always both.

Wave-particle duality is a moving particle AND its associated wave in the dark mass.

Particles are particles and waves are waves.

The reason the term particle-wave duality exists is because English is inadequate to describe quantum-mechanical processes. Only Mathematics is.

Mathematics does not describe what is occurring physically in nature.

'Quantum mechanics rule 'bent' in classic experiment'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13626587

'For his part, Professor Steinberg believes that the result reduces a limitation not on quantum physics but on physicists themselves. "I feel like we're starting to pull back a veil on what nature really is," he said. "The trouble with quantum mechanics is that while we've learned to calculate the outcomes of all sorts of experiments, we've lost much of our ability to describe what is really happening in any natural language. I think that this has really hampered our ability to make progress, to come up with new ideas and see intuitively how new systems ought to behave."'

A moving particle has an associated wave in the dark mass. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave which passes through both. As the wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave guiding the particle. Strongly detecting the particle causes a loss of cohesion between the particle and its associated wave, the particle continues on the trajectory it was traveling and it does not form an interference pattern.

What waves in a double slit experiment is the dark mass.

You're talking about the Higgs Field. But you're not really. Empty space doesn't have mass, most particles gain their mass from interacting with the Higgs Field, as far as I understand it.

'Dark matter' is now understood to fill what would otherwise be considered to be empty space.

'Cosmologists at Penn Weigh Cosmic Filaments and Voids'

http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/c...ents-and-voids

"Dark matter ... permeate all the way to the center of the voids."

'No Empty Space in the Universe --Dark Matter Discovered to Fill Intergalactic Space'

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog...ic-space-.html

"A long standing mystery on where the missing dark matter is has been solved by the research. There is no empty space in the universe. The intergalactic space is filled with dark matter."

'Empty' space has mass and is what waves in a double slit experiment.

[SargeRho]

Two things. Firstly: Prove it. Secondly: "Particles" are both waves and particles.

[mpc755]

Two things. Firstly: Prove it. Secondly: "Particles" are both waves and particles.

How can I 'prove' the particle always detected traveling through a single slit in a double slit experiment is evidence the particle always travels through a single slit?

If you insist on not understanding the boat always detected traveling through a single slit is evidence the boat always travels through a single slit there is no amount of evidence that will convince you otherwise.

If you insist the bow wave moves with the boat as a clump of stuff analogous to how the steering wheel moves with the boat there is no amount of evidence which will convince you that boats move through and displace the water.

The boat always detected traveling through a single slit in a boat double slit experiment is the evidence the boat always travels through a single slit.

The particle always detected traveling through a single slit in a double slit experiment is the evidence the particle always travels through a single slit.

The wave of wave-particle duality is a wave in the mass which fills 'empty' space.

If you insist the boat and its bow wave are a single entity moving through an empty void as a clump of stuff there is no amount of evidence which can convince you otherwise.

[SargeRho]

Your boat analogy is wrong. Particles do not behave like boats.

[mpc755]

Your boat analogy is wrong. Particles do not behave like boats.

Wave-particle duality is a moving particle and its associated wave in the dark mass. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the dark mass passes through both, analogous to a boat double slit experiment where the boat travels through a single slit and the bow wave passes through both.

[monstah]

And before you say anything, QED predicted anomalous gyromagnetic ratio to 12 decimal places. When you can beat that with any of your crazy nonsense, you can come back and share your knowledge. Until then, you're just another crackpot.

WHY can't I rep the same person twice? This is pure gold right here.

The notion that 60 atoms are each traveling every possible path then form a C60 molecule upon detection is utter nonsense.

Erm, no it's not. It's counterintuitive. Which is a word that describes most, if not all, of QED and QCD.

I'm a mathematician, not a physicist. I'm no expert in quantum interactions, but I have studied many, many counterintuitive things to know better than to call a notion "nonsense" based on my expectations of the (human-scaled) natural world. Nature simply has no obligation to fulfill your expectations

[mpc755]

Erm, no it's not. It's counterintuitive. Which is a word that describes most, if not all, of QED and QCD.

I'm a mathematician, not a physicist. I'm no expert in quantum interactions, but I have studied many, many counterintuitive things to know better than to call a notion "nonsense" based on my expectations of the (human-scaled) natural world. Nature simply has no obligation to fulfill your expectations

It's not counterintuitive, it's incorrect. 'Empty' space has mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it. In a double slit experiment it is the dark mass that waves.

The 60 atoms always exist as a C60 molecule. In a double slit experiment the C60 molecule, all 60 atoms, travels a well defined path which takes it through a single slit. It is the associated wave in the dark mass which passes through all of the slits.

[SargeRho]

It's not counterintuitive, it's incorrect. 'Empty' space has mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it. In a double slit experiment it is the dark mass that waves.

The 60 atoms always exist as a C60 molecule. In a double slit experiment the C60 molecule, all 60 atoms, travels a well defined path which takes it through a single slit. It is the associated wave in the dark mass which passes through all of the slits.

Empty space doesn't have mass. As K^2 pointed out, it has been shown not to.

[mpc755]

Empty space doesn't have mass. As K^2 pointed out, it has been shown not to.

'Dark matter' is now understood to fill what would otherwise be considered to be empty space. Meaning, 'empty' space has mass.

'Cosmologists at Penn Weigh Cosmic Filaments and Voids'

http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/cosmologists-penn-weigh-cosmic-filaments-and-voids

"Dark matter ... permeate all the way to the center of the voids."

'No Empty Space in the Universe --Dark Matter Discovered to Fill Intergalactic Space'

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/02/no-empty-space-in-the-universe-dark-matter-discovered-to-fill-intergalactic-space-.html

"A long standing mystery on where the missing dark matter is has been solved by the research. There is no empty space in the universe. The intergalactic space is filled with dark matter."

[SargeRho]

No, meaning Dark Matter has mass. Not meaning empty space has mass. If empty space is full of dark matter, it's not empty.

[shynung]

10 mod chrs

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[mpc755]

If empty space is full of dark matter, it's not empty.

Exactly. That's what "No Empty Space in the Universe" means.

'No Empty Space in the Universe --Dark Matter Discovered to Fill Intergalactic Space'

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog...ic-space-.html

"A long standing mystery on where the missing dark matter is has been solved by the research. There is no empty space in the universe. The intergalactic space is filled with dark matter."

"No empty space in the Universe" means no empty space in the Universe. That's why I always place quotes around 'empty', to note that the space which does not consist of particles of matter has mass.

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When everyone thinks you're wrong, it's probably time to see a doctor.

What is thought to be virtual particles is actually the chaotic nature of the dark mass.

For example, the following hydrodynamical representation of the Casimir Effect is analogous to the chaotic nature of the dark mass.

'Water wave analogue of the Casimir effect'

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Water_wave_analogue_of_Casimir_effect.ogv

NON-LINEAR WAVE MECHANICS A CAUSAL INTERPRETATION by LOUIS DE BROGLIE

“Since 1954, when this passage was written, I have come to support wholeheartedly an hypothesis proposed by Bohm and Vigier. According to this hypothesis, the random perturbations to which the particle would be constantly subjected, and which would have the probability of presence in terms of [the wave-function wave], arise from the interaction of the particle with a “subquantic medium†which escapes our observation and is entirely chaotic, and which is everywhere present in what we call “empty spaceâ€Â.â€Â

The “subquantic medium†is the dark mass.

‘Fluid mechanics suggests alternative to quantum orthodoxy’

http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/fluid-systems-quantum-mechanics-0912

“The fluidic pilot-wave system is also chaotic. It’s impossible to measure a bouncing droplet’s position accurately enough to predict its trajectory very far into the future. But in a recent series of papers, Bush, MIT professor of applied mathematics Ruben Rosales, and graduate students Anand Oza and Dan Harris applied their pilot-wave theory to show how chaotic pilot-wave dynamics leads to the quantumlike statistics observed in their experiments.â€Â

A “fluidic pilot-wave system†is the dark mass.

‘When Fluid Dynamics Mimic Quantum Mechanics’

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130729111934.htm

“If you have a system that is deterministic and is what we call in the business ‘chaotic,’ or sensitive to initial conditions, sensitive to perturbations, then it can behave probabilistically,†Milewski continues. “Experiments like this weren’t available to the giants of quantum mechanics. They also didn’t know anything about chaos. Suppose these guys  who were puzzled by why the world behaves in this strange probabilistic way  actually had access to experiments like this and had the knowledge of chaos, would they have come up with an equivalent, deterministic theory of quantum mechanics, which is not the current one? That’s what I find exciting from the quantum perspective.â€Â

What waves in a double slit experiment is the dark mass.

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[shynung]

I'm under the impression that I'm talking to a bot.

[mpc755]

I'm under the impression that I'm talking to a bot.

I'm under the impression that I am talking to people who are capable of understanding "No Empty Space in the Universe" means no empty space in the Universe.

'No Empty Space in the Universe --Dark Matter Discovered to Fill Intergalactic Space'

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog...ic-space-.html

"A long standing mystery on where the missing dark matter is has been solved by the research. There is no empty space in the universe. The intergalactic space is filled with dark matter."